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You deserved every word of rebuke that you got and more. As an FYI, there is a significant difference between what a public accommodation may do and what a private association may do. You can't try to be both. This is the very bit of confusion that got the Boy Scouts hauled before the Supreme Court.
The boy scouts won so technically you are saying Sam's Club can discriminate because they make you become a member first?
That kind of mentality would have you speaking German and yelling "Zieg Heil" or "Heil Hitler". (sp)
No, it would have us tone down rah-rah, knee-jerk glorification of running around the world killing people. It's all so reminiscent of those films of Chinese school children smiling and energetically waving their personal copy of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. Are you old enough to remember that, or too young to have learned such lessons yet?
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. -- Unknown
Seattle Pacific University overturned a controversial decision Friday, and will allow an American flag and the pledge of allegiance at a Veterans Day ceremony in its chapel.
The Christian university had previously told organizers of the Veteran's Day ceremony that they should not include the flag or pledge after objections were raised by a handful of faculty and students.
"The organizers decided not to include the pledge of allegiance and the presentation of colors during the November 10 chapel, given that there are a diversity of views on campus whether such elements should be part of a Christian worship service," the university told Q13.
The boy scouts won so technically you are saying Sam's Club can discriminate because they make you become a member first?
LOL! The Boys Scouts went down in flames. They were forced to choose between being a public accommodation (as they had claimed to be in Oregon) and being a private organization (as they had claimed to be in New Jersey). They chose to be the latter so that they could continue to discriminate against gays, a stance that they have of course more recently ceased adherence to.
The larger picture that some may never have set eyes upon is that status as a public accommodation comes only with the yoke of a strongly limiting set of laws and regulations. Notions of there being some sort of natural state of "Freedom & Liberty" anywhere are nothing but distorted mirages and hallucinations.
P.S.: All Walmart-operated stores are public accommodations, which is why they were slammed in 2009 for their widespread lack of compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act.
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LOL! The Boys Scouts went down in flames. They were forced to choose between being a public accommodation (as they had claimed in Oregon) and being a private organization (as they had claimed in New Jersey). They chose to be the latter so that they could continue to discriminate against gays, a stance that they have of course more recently ceased following.
The larger picture that some may never have set eyes upon is that status as a public accommodation comes only with the yoke of a strongly limiting set of laws and regulations. Notions of there being some sort of natural state of "Freedom & Liberty" anywhere are nothing but distorted mirages and hallucinations.
P.S.: All Walmart-operated stores are public accommodations, which is why they were slammed in 2009 for their widespread lack of compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act.
I didn't single out Wal-Mart.
There is a point here.....so Sam's Club can discriminate because they make you pay to join the club?
Pay more attention. Such actions as those reported in the OP are a very welcome sign that the pendulum of knee-jerk homage to the military and societal worship of war has at last swung too far and may be starting a long-overdue swing back toward rationality. When we have the Pentagon using taxpayer dollars to encourage and sponsor events that glorify war and killing, things have gone more than a little bit too far.
I don't think this society/country really worships the war, you have to be crazy to worship the war.
I do believe veterans should be respected and treated with at least human decency and appreciation. Let's face it, which country can really afford to live in a military free zone when everybody else has strong military. Military service, like it or not, admit it or not, is a necessary job not many people are willing to do.
Most people joined because they want to serve their country, The vast majority of veterans against the war in Vietnam did not throw their medals away, or make false testimony about the actions of their comrades. Most of them were ordinary grunts who realized as most thinking Americans did by 1970 that the war could not be won in any conventional way and it was time to make peace and bring the boys home.
Even the Next generation of Israelis and Palestinians say conflict is a waste of time, the next generation of Chinese and Japanese also say they are friends, brothers, and neighbors, the next generation of European countries say we are all Europeans, let's not fight each other. Nobody really wants the war. War is horror, there is nothing romantic or beautiful about it. But unfortunately, this world is run by different powerful groups. Politicians who share similar interests make the decision, not ordinary citizens.
Soldiers are really just somebody's neighbors, boyfriends, lovers, sons, cousins, and friends. I grew up with Marines, I have families who are Marines, majority of my friends are Marines. So i know that there are a lot of people in the military join for different reasons. Sure you have gang members join the military because they are naturally violent people, but these people are in the minority and once discovered, would be kicked out of military.
Military culture is an honorable culture, majority of the military folks are honorable warriors with unique personalities. Only 1% of the population serve in the military, out of this 1%, very very small percentage actually have seen combat. There shouldn't be any distance between regular citizens and military service members. Because of them, this country is a safe (relatively speaking) place.
The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.
----------Douglas MacArthur
remember the bolded, talk is cheap, all humans have the Hard-wired Human Survival Instincts. Soldiers in battle field have that instinct too, remember that. How could they possibly glorifying war and or killing. Veterans' day is to honor those who are willing to sacrifice their lives for something they believe in, I don't think it is a day to glorifying war or killing.
Look at how other civilized societies treat their soldiers and veterans.
What else would you expect from Seattle? Out of step with the rest of the country and proud of it. The socialists there were probably crying tears of joy over it and co spidering lawsuits when the decision was reversed.
As a Christian I also found it strange that the US Flag would be flown in sanctuary during services. I have no problem with the US Flag and fly it outside my house on certain occasions.
Alameda, a former Navy town, has a large 4th of July parade with lots of military participation. I always stand for the honor guard and applaud the veterans participating in the parade. Particularly since Alameda was a former Navy town our congregation has had members who are active in one the branches of service and retired military veterans. We even had member who was a Pearl Harbor survivor. Typically on the Sunday closest to Veterans' day those active or former military are asked to stand and their service is acknowledge. But I have never heard of saying the Pledge of Allegiance during a worship service. I don't think a Pledge to the State belongs in a Christian worship service, but that is clearly a personal decision or choice.
I do find it strange that this is an issue with those who were so concerned about what actions the State was supposedly going to require religious institutions to perform.
No, it would have us tone down rah-rah, knee-jerk glorification of running around the world killing people. It's all so reminiscent of those films of Chinese school children smiling and energetically waving their personal copy of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. Are you old enough to remember that, or too young to have learned such lessons yet?
I remember it well. No one is forced to honor the flag or say the Pledge, except in a classroom with minor children.
In any event we are the greatest country in the world; why not just say it?
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