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I don't understand how any of this is even possible...
Liberals have owned most universities, A to Z, for decades. They totally dominate the faculty, the administration and the cirriculum at these universities. And according to Liberals they support free speech, equality, fairness, safe spaces, etc, etc, etc...
After DECADES of running these places how is it that, according to these Left wing students, NONE of that exists? According to them these campii are cesspools of racism, oppression, mysogeny, white privilege, etc, etc, etc...
How is this possible? Is the Utopian Experiement a failure?
The sweet irony is that the Left that run these Universities also helped create these subliterate monsters. They are now eating their own.
Minorities cant concentrate with pooswatikas on the wall.
Are they so stupid that they don't realize the "pooswastikas" were for the jews??? Maybe they should take a world history class instead of "The World According to Kanye West".
They want 10% black staff and faculty. (It's like #3 or #4 on the group 1950's list of demands)
Student body is 7% black.
Staff is currently 7% black.
Faculty is currently 3.5% black
They want it done by 2017-18 so only possible via firings.
15% of the faculty is Asian, whites have < faculty than student % too.
So, you don't have to get rid of whites but you're going to need to put a major hiring freeze on Asians and fire a bunch to meet their deadline.
Now that you are more informed on their actual demands and the statistics what do you think?
Should these quota apply to sports scholarships and the football team too? If not why?
How they'll get to 10% is immaterial, because that's never going to happen. Tenured professors aren't going to be fired, and part-timers get recycled anyway. The students probably know that their plan won't work, but as a long-term goal, they have a point. There really ought to be more black professors.
Well, maybe. Maybe not, now that I think about it.
The composition of the undergraduate student body means basically nothing, since professors aren't pulled from the same pool. There should be a lot of Asian professors, even when compared to the number of Asian students, because there are just a lot more Asians in the world than there are people from any other group. Not every Asian person can speak English, so Jane Q. Professor from Guangtong isn't going to compete for a spot at Mizzou, but there are still a lot of candidates who will.
It could very well be that only 3.5% of applicants are black, or maybe the distribution of applications makes it so that a smaller percentage of black applicants are hired (e.g., if 90% of applicants to be African American Studies professors are black, and obviously most of them aren't going to be hired since that probably means 4000 people are applying for three jobs, then letting that outlier subset of the application data affect overall numbers is dangerous. You don't want to let hiring practices from the AA Studies department affect the physics faculty. Since applications for professor jobs at major universities come from all over the world, it's possible that only a few percent of applicants to be physics professors are black.
So there might not be a problem there. Maybe there is, but there certainly hasn't been a good argument made (by the undergrads, anyway) that there is. HOWEVER, the main idea, which is that black people are treated less fairly in hiring in general, is not wrong. If I remember correctly, these students are demanding more black faculty and staff. Hiring more faculty isn't happening at all, but staff would be much easier.
Furthermore, changing the composition of the tenured faculty already present isn't going to happen, but it could still be valuable to make a push to favor black candidates in future hiring.
Undergraduate admissions are another story. Affirmative action is important, but it can be misused (e.g., at some smaller schools, significant numbers of underrepresented minority groups end of being athletes, which can lead to the stereotype that minority kids on campus are underqualified (even though just the athletes are underqualified -- athletes of all ethnic and racial groups are usually grossly underqualified students at pretty much all universities).
White people benefit a bit too much from affirmative action as it is currently implemented, which is why there are some efforts now to reform the system.
President should've done something about the racism on campus. Nobody should be getting butthurt now that people are fed up.
No, they should have cancelled every scholarship of football players who refused to play, fired the coach, and let the football season die, and basketball if necessary.
How they'll get to 10% is immaterial, because that's never going to happen. Tenured professors aren't going to be fired, and part-timers get recycled anyway. The students probably know that their plan won't work, but as a long-term goal, they have a point. There really ought to be more black professors.
Well, maybe. Maybe not, now that I think about it.
The composition of the undergraduate student body means basically nothing, since professors aren't pulled from the same pool. There should be a lot of Asian professors, even when compared to the number of Asian students, because there are just a lot more Asians in the world than there are people from any other group. Not every Asian person can speak English, so Jane Q. Professor from Guangtong isn't going to compete for a spot at Mizzou, but there are still a lot of candidates who will.
It could very well be that only 3.5% of applicants are black, or maybe the distribution of applications makes it so that a smaller percentage of black applicants are hired (e.g., if 90% of applicants to be African American Studies professors are black, and obviously most of them aren't going to be hired since that probably means 4000 people are applying for three jobs, then letting that outlier subset of the application data affect overall numbers is dangerous. You don't want to let hiring practices from the AA Studies department affect the physics faculty. Since applications for professor jobs at major universities come from all over the world, it's possible that only a few percent of applicants to be physics professors are black.
So there might not be a problem there. Maybe there is, but there certainly hasn't been a good argument made (by the undergrads, anyway) that there is. HOWEVER, the main idea, which is that black people are treated less fairly in hiring in general, is not wrong. If I remember correctly, these students are demanding more black faculty and staff. Hiring more faculty isn't happening at all, but staff would be much easier.
Furthermore, changing the composition of the tenured faculty already present isn't going to happen, but it could still be valuable to make a push to favor black candidates in future hiring.
Undergraduate admissions are another story. Affirmative action is important, but it can be misused (e.g., at some smaller schools, significant numbers of underrepresented minority groups end of being athletes, which can lead to the stereotype that minority kids on campus are underqualified (even though just the athletes are underqualified -- athletes of all ethnic and racial groups are usually grossly underqualified students at pretty much all universities).
White people benefit a bit too much from affirmative action as it is currently implemented, which is why there are some efforts now to reform the system.
No, they should have cancelled every scholarship of football players who refused to play, fired the coach, and let the football season die, and basketball if necessary.
How they'll get to 10% is immaterial, because that's never going to happen. Tenured professors aren't going to be fired, and part-timers get recycled anyway. The students probably know that their plan won't work, but as a long-term goal, they have a point. There really ought to be more black professors.
Well, maybe. Maybe not, now that I think about it.
The composition of the undergraduate student body means basically nothing, since professors aren't pulled from the same pool. There should be a lot of Asian professors, even when compared to the number of Asian students, because there are just a lot more Asians in the world than there are people from any other group. Not every Asian person can speak English, so Jane Q. Professor from Guangtong isn't going to compete for a spot at Mizzou, but there are still a lot of candidates who will.
It could very well be that only 3.5% of applicants are black, or maybe the distribution of applications makes it so that a smaller percentage of black applicants are hired (e.g., if 90% of applicants to be African American Studies professors are black, and obviously most of them aren't going to be hired since that probably means 4000 people are applying for three jobs, then letting that outlier subset of the application data affect overall numbers is dangerous. You don't want to let hiring practices from the AA Studies department affect the physics faculty. Since applications for professor jobs at major universities come from all over the world, it's possible that only a few percent of applicants to be physics professors are black.
So there might not be a problem there. Maybe there is, but there certainly hasn't been a good argument made (by the undergrads, anyway) that there is. HOWEVER, the main idea, which is that black people are treated less fairly in hiring in general, is not wrong. If I remember correctly, these students are demanding more black faculty and staff. Hiring more faculty isn't happening at all, but staff would be much easier.
Furthermore, changing the composition of the tenured faculty already present isn't going to happen, but it could still be valuable to make a push to favor black candidates in future hiring.
Undergraduate admissions are another story. Affirmative action is important, but it can be misused (e.g., at some smaller schools, significant numbers of underrepresented minority groups end of being athletes, which can lead to the stereotype that minority kids on campus are underqualified (even though just the athletes are underqualified -- athletes of all ethnic and racial groups are usually grossly underqualified students at pretty much all universities).
White people benefit a bit too much from affirmative action as it is currently implemented, which is why there are some efforts now to reform the system.
1) The staff % already matches the student 7% though so why should it be 10%?
2) Your use of thoughtful analysis as to the professor quotas would be termed by many of the protesters as being racist. If 2% of engineering doctoral recipients are black and you have 2% black engineering professors....but 10% black students......you are guilty via disparate impact. The end.
I really don't think that we should be standing here making excuses for their list of demands. They want immediate racial quotas implemented on the campus. That it's not feasible is not an excuse for what is a fairly racist demand.
3) I ask you again, should we have racial quotas for the sports scholarships and players? I find the argument that they EARNED those spots while the Asian professors must just have gotten it due to racism....to be incredibly offensive.
I'm 100% sure when you're admitted to these campuses you agree to behave in a civil manner. Yelling racial slurs and drawing swastikas with feces isn't exactly what I'd describe as civil.
I don't see what the problem here is. This behavior is without a doubt not allowed on campus, yet here was someone in charge who took no steps to discourage and prevent this behavior that was being directed towards a particular group of people, he was fired for not doing his job.
Are they so stupid that they don't realize the "pooswastikas" were for the jews??? Maybe they should take a world history class instead of "The World According to Kanye West".
Neo Nazi ideology is not focused solely on Jews. It's directed towards every ethnicity that isn't white, homosexuals, muslims, and so called race traitors. Pretty much anyone who isn't a white nationalist.
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Maybe they should take a world history class instead of "The World According to Kanye West".
