Medicaid Expansion Is Proving to Be a Bad Bargain for States New ObamaCare enrollees and costs have exceeded estimates a (solution, money)

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

Ah. I suppose you think the poor should just waste away from chronic illness.

The heartless GOP does not want the poor of society to be able to utilize any resources for their health. They would prefer for them to just die off I am sure.

No doubt, the GOP pretty strongly feels we have no rights other than the right to breathe air without getting billed for it from heaven.

[Weichert]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

Able bodied people can work to pay for it.

Where? In some areas it is tough finding any kind of work. And move? How?

[Goinback2011]

Originally Posted by Weichert

Where? In some areas it is tough finding any kind of work. And move? How?

The current narrative is the economy is great and jobs are booming. That's why we're importing millions of foreigners.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Mircea

Explain how charging $55,000 for a $2,800 appendectomy is affordable. Then you can explain how $117,000 in assistant surgeon fee charges that really only cost $3,600 is affordable.
Giving the poor access to broken system of medical care
And the Democrats created the "deteriorating healthcare system" you deplore. .

I don't care much for the ACA, I think a single payer option would have been preferable, but don't try to pin the problems with our healthcare system solely on democrats because that's simply incorrect.

The Kaiser Family Foundation’s 2014 report on its survey explains how the recent growth is low compared with the early 2000s: “Family premiums have increased 69% since 2004 and have more than doubled since 2002. However, the average family premium has grown less quickly over the last five years than it did between 2004 and 2009 or between 1999 and 2004.” Here’s the KFF’s graphical representation of the slowdown:

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

The current narrative is the economy is great and jobs are booming. That's why we're importing millions of foreigners.

More work visas are issued when when the economy is good so I'm not entirely clear as to what your point is.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

Able bodied people can work to pay for it.

And if one is too sick to work? Not only healthy people need healthcare.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletZ06

Sorry, my BS detector is going off.
First, EMTALA law prevented the "SOL".
Second, most states are pretty liberal in the "poor" department for qualification for medicaid. Unless you are using the liberal version of "poor".

Your BS detector is clearly defective.. EMTALA covers acute emergency care and if you think it was ever free you have been misled, the costs of providing emergency care were just shifted to health care consumers by increased costs. And ER care does not treat people with chronic diseases like diabetes or heart conditions, they merely stabilize the patient and show them to the door. And most states without expanded medicaid are do not offer any health coverage to non-disabled, non-elderly childless adults. The Coverage Gap: Uninsured Poor Adults in States that Do Not Expand Medicaid


Where Are States Today? Medicaid and CHIP Eligibility Levels for Adults, Children, and Pregnant Women | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Like it or not a majority of people in this country support the concept of providing healthcare to people who can't afford it.

[earthlyfather]

None of the counter arguments, attempting to support the 'goodness' of the unaffordability of Obamacare can compete with the fact that this particular emperor has no clothes. The PPACA is as nekked as a jaybird. This is not some political talking points contest. It is real finance, debits and credits. Gargantuanly more debits than credits.

To wit.

The majority of ObamaCare’s insurance co-ops—12 of 23—have now folded, and their $1.24 billion in federal loans has all but vaporized. More will fail, nearly a million Americans may lose coverage, and now the contagion from their failures is spreading.

The co-ops are government-sponsored nonprofits that were supposed to increase competition, but instead they’re causing the greatest insurance disruption in decades. The co-ops aren’t merely jilting their displaced members or the taxpayers who supplied their “seed money.” Local regulators are defying the feds to close them because other insurers are liable for their toxic balance sheets.

So ultimately all consumers will pay for the co-op implosion as their IOUs are passed to commercial insurers. Guaranty associations typically are financed ex post facto, depending on how much is required, so no one can know how bad the arrears will be. But they will not be negligible, and not all the runoffs will be orderly.

The co-ops are also exposing the larger ObamaCare problem. Contrary to popular belief, the exchanges aren’t profitable for insurers. The consultants at McKinsey inspected commercial insurer finances and concluded that the industry spent $2.5 billion in 2014 over revenue on net, even after government risk payments. Some 64% of health-care payers lost money, 23% posted earnings of $0 to $10 million, and 13% earned more than $10 million.

I'll let you read the rest and debunk it on a real world basis. If, you can. ObamaCare

[Goinback2011]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

And if one is too sick to work? Not only healthy people need healthcare.

Go on disability. You get Medicare.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

Go on disability. You get Medicare.

That is for elderly, non-elderly with disabilities gets covered under Medicaid.