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Old 11-16-2015, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The U.S. admits around 70,000 refugees per year – more than any other country – and President Barack Obama last week pledged that America would take in 10,000 Syrians alone during the next fiscal year. Yet as a fractured Europe strains under the massive influx of migrants arriving in its countries via boat and on foot, aid organizations argue the U.S. should be doing more to help resettle those fleeing conflict and repressive governments in the Middle East and Africa.

The U.S. government's process to resettle refugees on American soil, however, is complex and time-consuming. It consists of multiple government agencies putting potential arrivals through extensive security and health screenings to ensure they are who they say they are, that they are truly fleeing persecution and that they will resettle peacefully in the U.S.

Why the U.S. Can't Immediately Resettle Syrian Refugees - US News


The bolded is really the bottom line, you can never know if they are who they say they are. Why take the risks?

Everyone says things like, "it's the compassionate thing to do." That's all nonsense. It's confusion -- people that think they're being compassionate, when they're really only hurting the people already here. Talk about this "compassion" to the people who can't find work, and already aren't receiving enough in assistance. Those are the people that large numbers of immigrants will hurt.

When economy is bad, you don't need to import so many people, refugees, illegal, or even legal immigrants.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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Actually it is, when we start picking which religions are and are not allowed in the US, we begin to lose our freedoms as Americans. As someone that is on the right wing politically, I would assume you were against taking away freedoms from Americans.
yep just like many were not f them were against the patriot act and ndaa that is at least until they were against it.

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No, we were an invading army. Standing up and fighting like men against a cowardly enemy dressed in robes with rags on their heads as they hid behind terrified women and children. And their fellow barbarians specialize in executing innocent unarmed civilians, as in Paris. Nice heroes you have there. Just warn them to stay out of America: as you noted above, LOTS of us have guns. And we know how to use them.
yes we know how to use guns except for these people here 13 of the Most Tragic and Horrifying Gun Accidents in 2014 | Alternet
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Portland is on the list of cities so urban will get his chance to show his hospitality next year.
What list? Where can I find this list?
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What list? Where can I find this list?
It's not one single list.

Here's a list of Mayors that say they are ready for refugees..sent to the President:

Cities United for Immigration Action | AS POPE FRANCIS VISITS U.S., 18 MAYORS JOIN FORCES TO COMMEND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, AND CALL ON THEM TO ACCEPT MORE REFUGEES AMID SYRIAN CRISIS

Map of Refugee centers.."reception points" (source US Dept of State)
http://www.wrapsnet.org/Portals/1/Af...ils1.13.15.pdf

Portland..the Luthern Refugee service contracts with the state dept and expects to start seeing them next year.
Syrian crisis will bring refugees to Portland, but observers don't anticipate large-scale numbers | OregonLive.com
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The way I see it is the bad muslims ruined it for the good ones.

It will take extra time, money, manpower and effort to make sure these new refugees are not terrorists or potential terrorists that we DIDN'T have to do with refugees in the past.
Not to mention the steps that will have to be taken to keep them from going online and being radicalized.

As of this writing, Obama is busy pondering what these steps might be...
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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Im a tree-hugging, bleeding heart socialist, but enough is enough already. "Islam" went from being a cult, er "religion"(lolz) to a political movement decades ago. So even if you think "all Muslims aren't bad", it can be equated to strippers, kiddy porn or cocaine dealers and other bad elements . . . You personally might not be doing bad things to people, but you are still part of a 'system' that does bad things by partaking. No, YOU might not have blown anyone up, but you are giving a tacit OK to those who do by not renouncing the cult or people who are the extreme elements. With most pols/govs too scared to call it what it is and deal with it on the level it needs to be dealt with, things are only going to get a lot worse, before better.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This is not a liberal or conservative issue. How ridiculous for right-wingers to take this stance.

What we know though, is that Conservatives have no answers, and are part of the PROBLEM.
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: PA
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Oh look, lets blame the left for the actions of ISIS. I suppose I could return the favor and blame the right and their war mongering for helping bring ISIS into existence. It would actually have a bigger logical basis.

Seriously though, whats wrong with you people?

Its see who is the left? Lets arm the Syria rebels they said (Parts of ISIS)
Why because Assad was a bad man.. etc etc we have to do something.
Who supported that OBAMA, Hillary and many democrats and republicans. (Rand Paul did not)
This is the continued Intervention policies of Woodrow Wilson. (democrat, leftist, neocon rightwing, leftwing idealogy)
Somewhere along the line the democrats and republicans (the same party) love war, love to get involved in every thing. They get their hands full of blood and never understand the consequences of war. France and EU need to think about WHO they are letting in but their clouded EU liberal ideas confuse their thinking. IF a white guy from britian or an Italian christian is coming to FRANCE let him in its good bet he is not their to kill people. If a Muslim is coming to your country be prepared for TROUBLE. That is the facts and liberals (the left) are AFRAID of being called a racist and some how aligning themselves with common sense.

Where did some of the weapons and money go in Syria.... to the terrorists, Assad kills its people, rebels attack Assad, who are the rebels? Assad weakened ISIS moves in, spreads. Both sides were bad news.

Sometimes its best to let 2 sides of evil sort out their own mess and the countries in that region need to be aware of the influx of crazy people who have nothing, no food or water etc.

If you don't have a nation of borders and common sense polices close the borders.
Long ago before people started blowing themselves up I think we saw people coming here for freedom and better lives. Seems to me now we have people coming here for FREE government benefits and to kill us and looking to bring us to our knees and the dark ages.
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Old 11-16-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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Random crime is not the same thing as a sociopolitical group movement.

Liberals don't distinguish between random crime and sociopolitical group involvement? They sure do if the group is white.

Of course conservatives are against crime. More so than liberals. Just conservatives differ on how to respond to crime.
Mass shooting is just a random crime to you? Let's think about this: Oh wait, a mass shooting killed the most people in the Paris attack. Hmm.......



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Of course conservatives are against crime. More so than liberals. Just conservatives differ on how to respond to crime.
Conservatives overreact to crime. We all know that.
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Old 11-16-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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You assume terrorists are middle eastern. At least one of the attackers was a citizen of France. Should the US cease to allow anyone from France to enter the US, just in case?

There are 70 million +/- annual tourists who enter the US, each year. How many are of Muslim Faith and of them, how many might have been radicalized?

Ideology has no geographical border.

No reason to allow any refugees from anywhere to enter the US for the foreseeable future.
He was a citizen but was a foreigner from one of those crap holes.
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