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Old 11-20-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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I thought insurers were dropping Obamacare because it didn't work? Why can't conservatives pick a story and stick to it?
You should have a listen

"Even though I am a liberal, I think we really have to focus on cost control. Affordability is absolutely critical across the board, because if we don't have affordable plans we are not going to get universal coverage. They are intimately linked," said Emanuel, brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who's mayor of Chicago.

Get costs under control or we will have an access problem.

-- Emmanuel, Obama architect



Obamacare architect: High-deductible plans overdone

'Big' bad day for Obamacare as UnitedHealth considers exit

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Old 11-20-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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You should have a listen

"Even though I am a liberal, I think we really have to focus on cost control. Affordability is absolutely critical across the board, because if we don't have affordable plans we are not going to get universal coverage. They are intimately linked," said Emanuel, brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who's mayor of Chicago.

Get costs under control or we will have an access problem.

-- Emmanuel, Obama architect



Obamacare architect: High-deductible plans overdone

'Big' bad day for Obamacare as UnitedHealth considers exit
That's exactly why it's so important that Obamacare is successfully suppressing premium growth rates.
Here's Another Big Way Obamacare Is Working As Planned
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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My premium is less than $500/mo, with a $500 (yes FIVE HUNDRED) deductible, basic services provided free, above-basic services 80/20 copay, out of pocket limit of $3800.00. This was a plan purchased on the exchange. It's a Blue-Cross-Blue-Shield plan that has a vast network of providers.
Not available to me.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Gold 500.
There is no way I could afford a Gold plan. And we don't qualify for any subsidies. And we considered moving to Arkansas a couple of years ago but it would have cost us more (about $8000 more) a year to live there.

So that option's off the table.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I looked up Texas.

Here we have Scott & White.
Their Gold PPO 500 plan
$810 premium (before any subsidy)
$500 deductible
$4500 max out of pocket

A big subsidy could bring that premium down.
That seems like a reasonable plan..something I would sign up for as my pension would qualify me for a big subsidy.
Just because a plan is available in one zip code or county doesn't mean it's available three miles down the road.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:56 PM
 
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That's exactly why it's so important that Obamacare is successfully suppressing premium growth rates.
Here's Another Big Way Obamacare Is Working As Planned
Thank you for sharing that article from last year.
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Old 11-20-2015, 10:02 PM
 
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That's exactly why it's so important that Obamacare is successfully suppressing premium growth rates.
Here's Another Big Way Obamacare Is Working As Planned
Yep but it isn't. My insurance premiums are so damn expensive and going up again in 2016. Obviously the insurance companies are not listing to him. What the hell do you think people are b*ching about. It's so fricken expensive that people can't afford it, that's what. Not everyone qualifies for subsidies like you must be. They're paying your share.
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Old 11-20-2015, 10:08 PM
 
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Obamacare is a ruse. An expensive one.



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/15...less.html?_r=0
Good grief. If it was a single payer system like Obama wanted then it wouldn't be expensive. It would have been medicare for all. But insurance companies had major problems with that because they wouldn't make the money they did before and republicans backed them up.
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Old 11-20-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Good grief. If it was a single payer system like Obama wanted then it wouldn't be expensive. It would have been medicare for all. But insurance companies had major problems with that because they wouldn't make the money they did before and republicans backed them up.
1. medicare is not 100%...it is a 80/20 or 75/25 INSURANCE

2. singlepayer, is NOT AFFORDABLE to the TAXPAYER.....to cover 100% of America (322 million people) would cost AT LEAST 3 trillion year, to 6 trillion depending on whether you make it a 80/20 with lots of denials, r a 100% coverage

we just don't have the revenue to do it
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Old 11-20-2015, 10:20 PM
 
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1. medicare is not 100%...it is a 80/20 or 75/25 INSURANCE

2. singlepayer, is NOT AFFORDABLE to the TAXPAYER.....to cover 100% of America (322 million people) would cost AT LEAST 3 trillion year, to 6 trillion depending on whether you make it a 80/20 with lots of denials, r a 100% coverage

we just don't have the revenue to do it
Our healthcare is run by insurance companies who just want to make a profit. And we are bilked millions by them. You say that taxpayers can't afford single payer then how do you think they can afford bills by insurance companies.
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