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Old 01-26-2016, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Hypothetically, if federal laws were uniformly as strict as the city of Chicago's, how would the sheer raw numbers of fire arms enter Chicago?
Federal laws aren't as strict as the city of Chicago and even if they were, criminals will still get guns. Do you have any idea how easy it is to build a gun in your garage? It isn't rocket science.
As long as there is a market, guns will be there for criminals.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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So why did Craigslist and EBAY stop carrying gun sales if online sales aren't a threat, Craigslist doesn't even arrange shipping, why did they cancel guns.

Liability.....Its easier then having to deal with Gun Grabbers and Ambulance chasing Attorneys...
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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So why did Craigslist and EBAY stop carrying gun sales if online sales aren't a threat, Craigslist doesn't even arrange shipping, why did they cancel guns.
Oh yeah.. Craigslist an EBAY have a conscious.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:35 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Federal laws aren't as strict as the city of Chicago and even if they were, criminals will still get guns.
It was a hypothetical and you didn't answer my question.... Would guns increase or decrease into Chicago?

Murder and rape laws don't prevent every crime, so what's your point? It's called risk management.

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Do you have any idea how easy it is to build a gun in your garage? It isn't rocket science.

As long as there is a market, guns will be there for criminals.
Again, risk management. No law prevents every crime....

It sounds like federalizing gun laws and making them a bit more strict would do the trick.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Murder and rape laws don't prevent every crime, so what's your point? It's called risk management.



Again, risk management. No law prevents every crime....

It sounds like federalizing gun laws and making them a bit more strict would do the trick.
It's already been done, has it worked? The major problem with gun laws in this country is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT doesn't enforce their own laws.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:43 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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It's already been done, has it worked? The major problem with gun laws in this country is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT doesn't enforce their own laws.
You didn't answer my hypothetical question from earlier.

When was it done?

Well slap a fee on guns to pay to enforce it.

The problems you bring up don't have hard solutions.... To bring up another issue.... a conservative president can simply choose not to enforce or fund enforcement. There's serious money behind making sure as many guns as possible are sold.

You're from Texas, so you know how it works.... For example, immigration.... Talk tough but don't follow through, i.e. Perry, Cruz, and Abbott.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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So why did Craigslist and EBAY stop carrying gun sales if online sales aren't a threat, Craigslist doesn't even arrange shipping, why did they cancel guns.
Because they didn't want to even risk being sued and they're run by liberals who never supported peoples firearm rights in the first place.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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No need to prove what already exists.



Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence





Criminals don`t obey laws.


That`s why we call them criminals.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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You didn't answer my hypothetical question from earlier.

When was it done?

Well slap a fee on guns to pay to enforce it.

The problems you bring up don't have hard solutions.... To bring up another issue.... a conservative president can simply choose not to enforce or fund enforcement. There's serious money behind making sure as many guns as possible are sold.

You're from Texas, so you know how it works.... For example, immigration.... Talk tough but don't follow through, i.e. Perry, Cruz, and Abbott.
Money won't fix the problem. The enforcement is available already but as you said, it isn't enforced. it isn't just this administration, it is every administration since the laws were passed. Enforce current laws and see how that works first,
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Old 01-26-2016, 10:01 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Money won't fix the problem. The enforcement is available already but as you said, it isn't enforced. it isn't just this administration, it is every administration since the laws were passed. Enforce current laws and see how that works first,
Enforcing county, state, and federal gun laws will never work, due to the patchwork of gun laws. Like our tax system, gun laws are intentionally a patchwork and convoluted to get around them.

I say get rid of non-federal laws and force the fed govt to enforce them. You know darn well, since you avoided my hypothetical, that it would decrease the amount of guns going into Chicago. The point isn't to end all illegal gun purchases as that is impossible, but risk management. You folks aren't asking to end murder, theft, and rape laws since they aren't 100% effective....
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