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Old 11-19-2015, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Russia and Iran are taking the need for the USA to do anything away. I don't know if anyone notices but a major shift in world power has just occurred. Russia and Iran have become very involved in the region and barley a peep out of Washington!!! Nato is powerless to solve the situation because one of the members is half the problem. Turkey hates the Kurds so much they will do anything to contain them and that includes supporting Isis. The Saudis who are joined at the hip to Uncle Sam are complicit in any and all terror from the Sunni side of things. Well the Russians and the Iranians don't have a problem putting the Saudis and the Turks in their place and it's long overdue. NATO should expel Turkey and let the chips land where they will. The US has been the main powerbroker in the Mideast for a long time and it's very very obvious that US policy has been one monumental FAILURE. It's long past time to get the heck out of the whole mess. The Russians have been dealing with Islamic insurrections, revolutions. jihads of one sort or another for about 200 years. They were able to subdue and contain all of Islamic Central Asia as part of the Russian empire for a very long time. How did they manage that???? Just ask the Chechens about that?

 
Old 11-19-2015, 08:58 PM
 
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Russia and Iran are taking the need for the USA to do anything away. I don't know if anyone notices but a major shift in world power has just occurred. Russia and Iran have become very involved in the region and barley a peep out of Washington!!! Nato is powerless to solve the situation because one of the members is half the problem. Turkey hates the Kurds so much they will do anything to contain them and that includes supporting Isis. The Saudis who are joined at the hip to Uncle Sam are complicit in any and all terror from the Sunni side of things. Well the Russians and the Iranians don't have a problem putting the Saudis and the Turks in their place and it's long overdue. NATO should expel Turkey and let the chips land where they will. The US has been the main powerbroker in the Mideast for a long time and it's very very obvious that US policy has been one monumental FAILURE. It's long past time to get the heck out of the whole mess. The Russians have been dealing with Islamic insurrections, revolutions. jihads of one sort or another for about 200 years. They were able to subdue and contain all of Islamic Central Asia as part of the Russian empire for a very long time. How did they manage that???? Just ask the Chechens about that?
I am very anxious to see how putin and Russia handle this myself. I do not see where it is a "bad" thing. Also do not expect Russia to be near as concerned about "collateral" damage as we are........
 
Old 11-19-2015, 10:43 PM
 
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Its easy to TALK war.

But when your being shot at and watching your friends die (its not so easy.)

When you see little children who are about to die from bombs or bullets looking at you for help (its not so easy.)


But when your a draft dodger like GW Bush or Dick Cheney, or a armchair general online (then war is easy.)
Lol..

That was referring to the post followed after.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 10:47 PM
 
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So would ISIS.

Right-wingers and Islamic extremists are basically the same thing.
They are not. This is more liberal ignorance. The GOP isn't flying planes into buildings to intentionally kill civilians.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 11:07 PM
 
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I prefer nukes. Cheaper.
convenient, instant, easy, efficient..
 
Old 11-19-2015, 11:12 PM
 
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So would ISIS.

Right-wingers and Islamic extremists are basically the same thing.
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They are not. This is more liberal ignorance. The GOP isn't flying planes into buildings to intentionally kill civilians.
exactly, and note that the person ordering missile strikes on targets is a progressive.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 11:29 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Difficult when hampered by Conservatives

A far more sophisticated strategy is necessary, one completely over the head of the typical Conservative. ISIS must be destroyed from within, and I believe this is a focal point of President Obama's strategy. It requires the cooperation of many nations, including those who are Muslim, a thorough understanding of the culture and how to cause changes from within, financial control, precision military intervention, constant pressure, and patience.

The effectiveness of this strategy is hampered by Republican obstructionism, no help or support from the Republican-controlled Congress, and an irrational desire by Conservatives that the President of the United States fails. Republican strategies are either non-existent or ineffective.
 
Old 11-20-2015, 12:08 AM
 
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A far more sophisticated strategy is necessary, one completely over the head of the typical Conservative. ISIS must be destroyed from within, and I believe this is a focal point of President Obama's strategy. It requires the cooperation of many nations, including those who are Muslim, a thorough understanding of the culture and how to cause changes from within, financial control, precision military intervention, constant pressure, and patience.

The effectiveness of this strategy is hampered by Republican obstructionism, no help or support from the Republican-controlled Congress, and an irrational desire by Conservatives that the President of the United States fails. Republican strategies are either non-existent or ineffective.
and you have absolutely NO clue about what you speak. obama isnt trying to get a coalition together, he is just firing missiles at suspected targets. the reality is that if you want to defeat an enemy, you have to have boots on the ground. shooting guns and missiles from the air will have no real effect. remember kosovo? we bombed the heck out of that country for months, but until boot were put on the ground, there was no change in the situation there.

air power does not win wars by itself.
 
Old 11-20-2015, 01:52 AM
 
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A far more sophisticated strategy is necessary, one completely over the head of the typical Conservative. ISIS must be destroyed from within, and I believe this is a focal point of President Obama's strategy. It requires the cooperation of many nations, including those who are Muslim, a thorough understanding of the culture and how to cause changes from within, financial control, precision military intervention, constant pressure, and patience.

The effectiveness of this strategy is hampered by Republican obstructionism, no help or support from the Republican-controlled Congress, and an irrational desire by Conservatives that the President of the United States fails. Republican strategies are either non-existent or ineffective.
Obama has inflamed the situation by carelessly supporting the ragtag team of extremists trying to overthrow Assad and allowing the Gulf states to arm whoever they please to twist the knife in their rivals, the Shia and Iran. ISIS would almost certainly by nowhere as strong as now if he hadn't inflamed the delicate situations in Libya, Syria, and Yemen, a country on the receiving end of aerial terror from the Saudis with full US backing. Though Bush may have lit the match in Iraq, Obama and the CIA have drenched the entire region in gasoline. Your knee jerk apologies for him are not doing anybody any good.
 
Old 11-20-2015, 02:11 AM
 
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Obama has inflamed the situation by carelessly supporting the ragtag team of extremists trying to overthrow Assad and allowing the Gulf states to arm whoever they please to twist the knife in their rivals, the Shia and Iran. ISIS would almost certainly by nowhere as strong as now if he hadn't inflamed the delicate situations in Libya, Syria, and Yemen, a country on the receiving end of aerial terror from the Saudis with full US backing. Though Bush may have lit the match in Iraq, Obama and the CIA have drenched the entire region in gasoline. Your knee jerk apologies for him are not doing anybody any good.
To believe your view, my best friend would have to be a crack pipe.

I trust this President's handling of this situation far more than the hapless perspective of anyone from the Right. Right-wingers have no solutions, no creative approaches to any problem, only blowhard narratives which criticize those you are inferior to, on every level. Yes, the situation in the ME is incredibly delicate and volatile, yet we have a pathetic Republican contingent in Congress who opposes everything this great President does, even if it would hurt the country. Our President would be a great deal more effective if he wasn't cursed with such a pathetic Congress.

Bush not only lit the match, he destabilized the entire world. He decimated the hell out of this country too. He took a surplus and turned it into a record deficit for what? Fighting smoke with bullets, in a black hole of spending, which made the situation so bad, that it may take many generations to undo. The escalation of the turmoil in that region was going to happen no matter who was president POST-BUSH. We live in a POST-BUSH society now, one made worse by 8 horrific Republican Bush years. Reality, recognize it.

There is not a Republican alive who can handle this situation better than ANY Democrat, and certainly not better than our current great President...and don't you forget it either.
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