who is to blame for obamacare insurer's collapse? (global warming, solution, insurance)

[ebbe]

Originally Posted by boneyard1962

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Doctors ordering tests that aren't needed to cover their butts because they fear lawsuits?

This happens ALL THE TIME.

[shooting4life]

Who could have predicted this?!

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD

This is true too. I often order tests just to cover my a$$ in case of a law suit. But I don't make a dime from that. The hospital does.

The problem is democrats fight tort reform at every turn to try and reduce this need to over test.

[stan4]

Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD

This is true too. I often order tests just to cover my a$$ in case of a law suit. But I don't make a dime from that. The hospital does.

Amen.
More tests don't make me more money.
But living under the constant threat of being sued because LIFE HAPPENS can run up a patient's bill, for sure.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by boneyard1962

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Doctors ordering tests that aren't needed to cover their butts because they fear lawsuits?

And people too afraid to say "No".

When my son broke his arm it was xrayed. A normal break yet the doctor wanted to do an MRI scan.
Why when it was a normal break. "Just as a precaution". I said "NO".
Then they wanted to see him weekly for the 6 weeks he had his cast on.
I asked why ? "Just to check the cast". I said "NO".

You see.."I remember when..."
I also have a high deductible plan so this was MY MONEY being paid out.

You got the cast and told to come back in 6 weeks for a normal break.
That's how it worked.
And that's how I treated it.

And nothing bad happened.

[Boss]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

The problem is democrats fight tort reform at every turn to try and reduce this need to over test.

Tort reform has not led to lower costs in any state which has enacted tort reform. The only thing it has done is hurt a wronged individual and not allowed a company to be held accountable.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Who could have predicted this?!

Pretty much everyone that was against Obamacare back in 2009.

And we were dismissed over the cheers that Obama was gonna save the world yet again.

[Tall Traveler]

Obamacare Sux never addressed the problem of cost so now you have 50% not getting subsidized care paying for their inflated cost as well as those that are getting subsidized.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by Tall Traveler

Obamacare Sux never addressed the problem of cost so now you have 50% not getting subsidized care paying for their inflated cost as well as those that are getting subsidized.

Which is what most of Europe did under their plans.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by boneyard1962

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Doctors ordering tests that aren't needed to cover their butts because they fear lawsuits?

and the government doctors do it because they are afraid of spending on the correct tests...and don't forget the government FDA too

the FDA with all its restrictions and protections of patents (ie why did they extend the patent on the blue pill (viagra), when a generic would make it more affordable to the people with ED that need it.... if you can get a generic for $30/month (use 1/day example) versus 'name brand' for $500/month, why would you consider getting a 'counterfiet for $40/month???


the FDA has ALWAYS been behind the curve... the government either kills you slowly by no approving things, or kills you fast by over-regulating things

its no different from the '''government care'' of the VA

I injured my back in 2003,,, what was recommended back then was FUSING of the vertebra ...well in Europe they have been doing disc replacement for 20 years...finally in 2004 the FDA approved for that type of surgery here,,,,,tried to get it in 2005,,through TRI-CARE (the GOVERNMENT health care system for the military) they said "NO, its a new experimental procedure"....even though it had been done for the last 20 years in Europe........the government answer,,,deal with the pain, or get FUSED and lose mobility and still have pain

the FDA has been screwed up for years, the government has been full of red tape for years...its the government red tape...always has been, always will be


I am retired Army..I know exactly what kind of crappy care comes from the VA

the same VA that couldn't diagnose a ruptured(herniated) disc in my back after I got hurt in Iraq, the va x-rayed my back.......20 times......could not find the problem...they said DDD.....

I paid for ONE , MRi and found the 3 herniated discs,, one of them completely disintegrated.....and then started getting the treatment, had my back surgery in 2007

sorry, but government care, and the government redtape and regulations is crappy care, and the consumer getting screwed


open up the market, get rid of the government red tape, and you will find that we not onlyt have the best healthcare, but also the most affordable


the government is the problem