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Old 11-27-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003 View Post
Yes, you are correct. But the "If" in your post is the killer. Nobody said anything like your post so it's a silly conclusion.

Keep trying.
But your thread title is suggesting scientists are doing something nefarious, fudging data.... once again.

So are you saying your thread is wrong?

 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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If something happens naturally, it can't also happen due to man-made causes. Like how it gets dark when the sun goes down, which disproves the existence of blindfolds.
It really is that absurd.
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:15 PM
 
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but the FACT is man has extremely little to due with any climate change...99% of the scientists say that mans part is less than 5%

actually 99% of the scientists and 99% of people understand that climate change always happens,,and the earth has warmed and cooled many,many,many, many times...all naturally


climate change is not a hoax or a myth.....but..."man-made" climate change is a hoax

most rational people understand that climate change always happens,,and the earth has warmed and cooled many,many,many, many times...all naturally

1. science shows the climate changes naturally

2. science shows that climate change is natural with co2, methane, water vapor, sun cycles, rotation of the earth, earths core activity, and weather patterns all having play in it

3. science shows that the earth has warmed and cooled many, many times, with the cycles be for the most part regular....but never EXACTLY the same

4. science shows that the co2 has been much, much higher...even in cooler times

5. science (and botany ) shows that plants grow much better in higher co2....1200ppm is optimum

6. science shows that a warmer climate is not a desert climate, but a tropical wetter climate...

7. science shows that warming will be better for humans, as we will have longer growing seasons, with less need for irrigation

8 science (and botany) shows that if co2 goes below 200ppm plants stop growing

9. science shows that humans may have a SMALL part, in climate change (less than 10%)...therefore making the fascist mantra of ''man-made/man-caused"" a LIE

10. common sense shows that a carbon tax, will NOT reduce anyones carbon footprint, but will make the fascist liberal rich, richer


11. SCIENCE says that the climate changes NATURALLY....why do the big ego liberals think that man HAS TO BE the cause....especially when NOT ONE SCIENTIST has proven it to be man made/man caused


12. everyone knows (and its scientifically proven) that climate has changed many, many times

13.. and yet NOT ONE scientist has proven MANMADE global warming...science does show.. the globe evolves. The global environment changes..periodically...there have been WARMER TIMES..there have been cooler times..there have been times when C02 was MUCH, MUCH higher


14. guess what our co2 levels are currently around 380-390ppm.... co2 levels were over 700 ppm 20 thousand years ago....so what's the big deal


15. science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER... .guess what, by science no less...the ideal co2 ppm for most plants is....900-1500 ppm.......


15a. Science shows plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration, as they tend to display lower stomatal conductance.

15b. Science shows the amount of carbon gained per unit of water lost per unit leaf area - or water-use efficiency - should increase dramatically as the air's CO2 content rises.

15c. Scinece and the study of science shows In the study of Serraj et al. (1999), soybeans grown at 700 ppm CO2 displayed 10 to 25% reductions in total water loss while simultaneously exhibiting increases in dry weight of as much as 33%. So, elevated CO2 significantly increased the water-use efficiencies of the studied plants.

15d. science shows, that the typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research (SCIENCE) demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2.

15e. Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. (this is why companys and governments SELL CO2 generators for greenhouses)


15f. science shows it is clear that as the CO2 content of the air continues to rise, nearly all of earth's agricultural species will respond favorably by exhibiting increases in water-use efficiency... which means, one can expect global agricultural productivity to rise in tandem with future increases in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration.

so more co2 is actually GREENER...its not theory, its scientific fact

16. science shows that humans use oxygen and expel (exhale) co2

17. science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expels o2

18. science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush fertile land, not covered in ice

19. science shows us that Greenland was once a green lush fertile land, not covered with ice, in fact tropical like

20.. science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of glaciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)


and finally ....common sense states that as the earths population expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.......yet the global warming liberals only want to talk about car/industry exhaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it


so endeth the lesson

the biggest question is why do the fascist brown shirt liberals deny science, and the fact , that the truth is it is a natural occurance , and that NOTHING WE DO will change or speedup, or slow, or stop the natural climate change
I think you should preface every one of your points with "I read on a pseudoscience conspiracy blog that...."
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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Forbes interpreting what the study says, SOP for them and you bought it, not that I give the report any credibility but it is around 30 pages and they pulled one phrase.


There are 5 frames breaking down respondents to the Kyoto Protocol, they decided to pick just one, now why would that be
I'm not sure what he was trying to prove by providing a link to an opinion piece by Heartland's James Taylor in Forbes magazine that completely misrepresented the original article from the business Journal "Organizational Studies"

That he is prepared to use lies and misrepresentation to support his opinion? Or that he is too silly to not even fact-check the source?

How about the original article?

Sage Journals- Science or Science Fiction? Professionals' Discursive Construction of Climate Change

It was a survey of engineers and geoscientists who worked in petroleum and related industries in Alberta Canada published in a Business Journal.
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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But your thread title is suggesting scientists are doing something nefarious, fudging data.... once again.

So are you saying your thread is wrong?
No. The title is spot on. It's your embellishment that is faulty. But you know that.
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:43 PM
 
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You have it backwards. You need evidence to prove something IS happening. Not the other way around.
And there is a consilience of evidence from many different sources which ALL show that human activities are the main cause of the global warming since at least the mid 20th century. You can find this evidence described in tens of thousands of published research papers. This is the evidence that every major Science Institution worldwide refers to when they make statements about climate change.


Ignoring all the evidence and parroting evidence-free pseudoscience claims from conspiracy blogs doesn't make the evidence go away.
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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Environmental advocates provide 99 climate science papers proving that global warming is happening, and one letter from a physicist club affirming AGW, so that means pro AGWers are hypocrites for mentioning that non-climate scientists believe in science? How does that invalidate the published, peer reviewed science and evidence for global warming?
Where the **** did I say that?
No, really.. I'll wait.....

Where exactly did I say that this example of hypocrisy suddenly means that this invalidates the published, peer reviewed research on AGW?
This is the point. You people cannot debate this topic without constant strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks and pure hypocrisy.
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:51 PM
 
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Wrong.
Earlier in this thread, Ceist maligned a bunch of scientists for the sole reason that they had "no background in climate sciences" , then told someone else that we should only regard published, peer reviewed science. Then Ceist goes and quotes a Public Relations statement from a society of physicists to make a pro AGW claim!

So which is it, are we dealing with only climate scientists and peer reviewed science reports or aren't we?
The double standards and hypocrisy in these discussions is really annoying.
Wrong.


There is a consilience of evidence from many different sources which ALL show that human activities are the main cause of the global warming since at least the mid 20th century. This evidence is described in tens of thousands of published research papers. This is the evidence that every major Science Institution worldwide refers to when they make their Statements about climate change.


If a scientist (whether they have a background in any relevant field of science or not) expresses a personal opinion that is not backed up by evidence, then their personal opinion is not worth anything.
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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Wrong.


There is a consilience of evidence from many different sources which ALL show that human activities are the main cause of the global warming since at least the mid 20th century. This evidence is described in tens of thousands of published research papers. This is the evidence that every major Science Institution worldwide refers to when they make their Statements about climate change.
You've already established yourself as a hypocrite and not worth listening to.
 
Old 11-27-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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