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Old 11-21-2015, 10:10 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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If federal funding dried up, the AGW hoax would die quickly.
No it would not. You would still have the German, French, British (and every other government in the EU saying man made global warming is happening.)
Germany Is Showing the Rest of the World How to Tackle Global Warming - Mic
France's solution to global warming? Tax citizens on the CO2 they produce - DailyFinance
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-gas-emissions

EU climate action - European Commission


Then you would have the Mexican, Chilean, Brazilian, (and every other government in South America saying man made global warming is happening.)
Mexico Pledges to Cut Emissions 25% in Climate-Change Milestone - Bloomberg Business
http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/chile.html
Brazil's Global Warming Agenda | World Resources Institute

You would have Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Botswana (and every other government in Africa saying man made global warming is happening.)
Zimbabwe | Grantham Research Institute on climate change and the environment
Nigeria: Effects of Global Warming and Climate Change, and the Way Forward - allAfrica.com
Botswana embarks on ambitious plan to tackle climate change | UNDP in Botswana

And you would have every Asian government saying man made global warming is happening.
China to Launch Nationwide Scheme to Cut Global Warming Pollution - Scientific American
Japanese Cabinet approves Basic Anti-Global Warming Law - Lexology


How could eliminating US federal funding for global warming stop all the above governments from pursuing global warming?

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Richard Lindzen, a former meteorologist at MIT, in his first presentation as the newest distinguished fellow at the libertarian think tank Cato Institute, tore into global warming alarmists.
The CATO Institute was founded by the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers have given $80 million dollars to groups that deny global warming (because Koch corporations will loose money if we combat global warming.)
Cato Institute - SourceWatch
Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine - Greenpeace USA


Are you honestly going to trust the Koch brothers and their corporate think tanks, more than you trust every intelligent government on this planet in matters of global warming?

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Old 11-21-2015, 10:53 PM
mm4
 
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Clearly you didn't read the original 2012 Letter in Nature. What timescale do you think they are discussing? What do you think they are talking about?

Here it is.
Thermal and electrical conductivity of iron at Earth’s core conditions
(full copy here)
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.4970.pdf


Or the follow-on 2014 paper in Earth and Planetary Science Letters (open access)
Thermal and electrical conductivity of solid iron and iron–silicon mixtures at Earth's core conditions
And it fluctuates in ways that haven't been predictable. Moreover science knows nothing about the composition and liquid state of the core, only that it rotates at a different speed than that of the crust. It's laughable to see how recent science predicted even the material surface of Pluto before it got close to it.


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Why don't you explain to us how you believe this is relevant to climate models?
I did earlier up thread. So called 'Climate Scientists' can't pretend away variables they cannot or won't measure, and then expect to see anything other than gross error in their models, which have never worked.


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...(which have done very well, unless you have the mistaken ignorant belief that climate models are supposed to 'predict' short term weather and variability exactly when it occurs). I'm sure you've read in the tabloid press and conspiracy blogs that 'all the models are wrong!' and 'scientists are fudging data!', but that's not the reality.

Who are the 'you people' you are referring to? All the major Science Institutions worldwide? Like the National Academy of Sciences, The American Institute of Physics? The American Geophysical Union? The American Chemical Society? and their equivalents worldwide?
No, your models have bigger problems: they've never predicted squat.

They tried to predict warmer Arctic currents, shipping lanes. Wrong. They failed to forecast the heaviest freeze conditions seen by Candian Coast Guard in the Hudson Bay in 20 years.

Your always-failed models won't tell you when the Western U.S.'s drought will end. If you have the guts, you'll use one to tell us.


_"Storm Warning: Bigger Hurricanes and More of Them"_
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/03/sc...pagewanted=all

_"Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'"_
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

_"US Navy predicts summer ice free Arctic by 2016"_
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-ice-2016-melt

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Old 11-21-2015, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Is Lindzen the best that the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute can buy? They should get a refund.
So, you're a conspiracy theorist as well. Good to know the left is trying to keep pace with the birthers... oh wait, it was Hillary staffers who started the birther movement.

I thought people with the ability to think for themselves and question the failed models were the ones who denied science. You're doing the exact same thing because the scientists aren't what you deem "the right kind"- so, basically you're denying science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...global_warming

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming? But polls show that of scientists working in the field of climate science, and publishing papers on the topic: 97% of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century; and 97% think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures. What is the significance of these statistics?
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...ncing-evidence

So, 31,000 scientists who have no skin in the AGW game say there's no convincing evidence. Here's the wonky part: Rather than use a hard number for those who do believe, they simply say "97% say humans do have something to do with it". Now, these would be the scientists who benefit from being pro-AGW.

The emails showing these "honest scientists" conspiring to conflate, inflate, and skew their numbers showed they can't be trusted.

As with the Clinton's, Obama, Kerry, Wiener, Waters, and a host of liberal hacks, these crony "scientists" have traded in true science for a stack of cash called grants.

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Originally Posted by mm4 View Post

_"Storm Warning: Bigger Hurricanes and More of Them"_
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/03/sc...pagewanted=all

_"Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'"_
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

_"US Navy predicts summer ice free Arctic by 2016"_
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-ice-2016-melt
How about the same scientists decrying the earth was going to freeze because of man, just 45 years ago.

A decade after the myth that was "An Inconvenient Truth":

2008:
The film, An Inconvenient Truth, suggested that the sea would rise up to 20ft "in the near future" as the ice in Greenland or Western Antarctica melts.

Other documentaries have picture Britain deluged with water, showing the House of Commons submerged.

However, while some mainstream predictions project sea levels 2 to 4 meters higher by 2100, a new study published today in Science concludes that a rise in sea level between 0.8 and 2 meters is much more likely.


A decade later and the ocean has risen 5 frikkin millemeters!


AND STILL we have to hear about how the earth is a disaster because of man after every storm.


The sea ice growing! There was ice in the great lakes well in July 2015!!!


Why? According to these lunatics it's AGW!


In 50 years the mutts they raise will be saying the exact same thing, as they protest snow drifts.

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Old 11-22-2015, 12:10 AM
mm4
 
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In 50 years the mutts they raise will be saying the exact same thing, as they protest snow drifts.
After they're backed into Honduras by an ice age, they'll be blaming Laurentide-like glaciers a mile thick over NYC as symptomatic of Global Warming and Climate Change.

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Is Lindzen the best that the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute can buy? They should get a refund.
Climate hysterics are being paid by carbon-credit traders.

If you're brave enough, use one of your failed climate models to inform the world as to when the Western U.S.'s climate will produce enough rain to refill Lake Mead. We'll be waiting.

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Old 11-22-2015, 01:37 AM
 
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And it fluctuates in ways that haven't been predictable. Moreover science knows nothing about the composition and liquid state of the core, only that it rotates at a different speed than that of the crust. It's laughable to see how recent science predicted even the material surface of Pluto before it got close to it.



I did earlier up thread. So called 'Climate Scientists' can't pretend away variables they cannot or won't measure, and then expect to see anything other than gross error in their models, which have never worked.



No, your models have bigger problems: they've never predicted squat.

They tried to predict warmer Arctic currents, shipping lanes. Wrong. They failed to forecast the heaviest freeze conditions seen by Candian Coast Guard in the Hudson Bay in 20 years.

Your always-failed models won't tell you when the Western U.S.'s drought will end. If you have the guts, you'll use one to tell us.


_"Storm Warning: Bigger Hurricanes and More of Them"_
Storm Warning - Bigger Hurricanes and More of Them - NYTimes.com

_"Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'"_
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

_"US Navy predicts summer ice free Arctic by 2016"_
US Navy predicts summer ice free Arctic by 2016 | Nafeez Ahmed | Environment | The Guardian
I note that you couldn't really answer the questions and are continuing with conspiracy theories, attacking strawmen and misrepresenting science.
 
Old 11-22-2015, 01:40 AM
 
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So, you're a conspiracy theorist as well. Good to know the left is trying to keep pace with the birthers... .
No conspiracy theory. Fact. Lindzen works with the Cato Institute. It's mostly funded by the fossil fuel/energy industry.
 
Old 11-22-2015, 01:43 AM
 
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Originally Posted by steven_h View Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...global_warming

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming? But polls show that of scientists working in the field of climate science, and publishing papers on the topic: 97% of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century; and 97% think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures. What is the significance of these statistics?
31,000 scientists say "no convincing evidence". — OSS Foundation

So, 31,000 scientists who have no skin in the AGW game say there's no convincing evidence. Here's the wonky part: Rather than use a hard number for those who do believe, they simply say "97% say humans do have something to do with it". Now, these would be the scientists who benefit from being pro-AGW.

The emails showing these "honest scientists" conspiring to conflate, inflate, and skew their numbers showed they can't be trusted.
The Oregon Petition from 1998 yet again? Oh Please. You can't be serious.


Let's have a look at what that dishonest stunt was about:

STATEMENT BY THE COUNCIL OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES
REGARDING GLOBAL CHANGE PETITION
National-Academies.org | Where the Nation Turns for Independent, Expert Advice

Scientific American:
http://web.archive.org/web/200608231...A9809EC588EF21

University of Wisconsin
A Global Warming Counterfeit

The Sceptics Society:
Skeptic » eSkeptic » Wed., November 12th, 2008

Seattle Times article about people adding fake names to the "Petition"
Business | Jokers Add Fake Names To Warming Petition | Seattle Times Newspaper

even Wikipedia

Oregon Petition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and of course the website itself:

Global Warming Petition Project

and if you can't read very well, try watching this video by science journalist Peter Sinclair:

32000 Scientists | Climate Denial Crock of the Week

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Old 11-22-2015, 02:18 AM
 
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What logic? Please be specific.
Try reading. It is quite clear.
 
Old 11-22-2015, 02:32 AM
 
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Try reading. It is quite clear.
Try thinking. It's not that hard.
 
Old 11-22-2015, 02:37 AM
 
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Try thinking. It's not that hard.
I do think. Why AGW alarmists fall flat on their faces over and over again.

But keep adjusting the data to get the result desired.
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