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Old 11-22-2015, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
That is a fallacious excuse.

Putin is proving otherwise. He had done it before and he is doing it again.
Putin has proven nothing and ISIS is no closer to defeat since your hero began bombing the region.

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Old 11-22-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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What you missed is that when you bomb civilians you serve as a recruiting tool.
As well as deaden your country's humanity and blacken your country's image in general.
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Old 11-22-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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What you missed is that when you bomb civilians you serve as a recruiting tool. The idea is to lesson the desire to join ISIS not serve as a recruiting poster. Did you folks not learn anything from ten years of war in Iraq?
Bombing them PERIOD is a recruitment tool. What we learned from Iraq is the country was de-stablized from obama's lack of leadership causing the vacuum seal in the country.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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So why does Putin time and time again make obama look like a weak clown. What is obamas hidden agenda here ? Anyone else seeing it?
Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck............

Obama just wants out at this point. He has no ideas and is just praying that he can get out without anything bad happening to the homeland. Then he can just go rack up those speaking fees and be a rock star for all the sycophants which is the only thing that he really does well. We are SO screwed.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Putin actually shows that he is a capable leader. Whats bad about supporting someone that actually demonstrates that he can handle a crisis when his country is faced with it?
Well, if killing civilians makes him capable in your eyes, then so be it.

None of the US candidates are that 'capable', which is actually a good thing.

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Old 11-22-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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We've been at was in Iraq for 10 years, there is no winning, there never was an opportunity to win anything. We, just like the USSR have learned that fighting groups with hundreds of different leaders and no command structure in inhospitable terrain is not something a modern army does very well. ISIS is taking over Afghanistan right now, all our efforts there were for nothing. "treat us as liberators" my eye, they treated us like cockroaches, just like we would treat an invading army in north America.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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Bombing them PERIOD is a recruitment tool. What we learned from Iraq is the country was de-stablized from obama's lack of leadership causing the vacuum seal in the country.
Oh, for....

Apparently besides Obama Derangement Syndrome can lead to amnesia as well. Take the above case for example. According to Jim, Iraq was a stable country following the invasion of 2003 when clearly at no point since 2003 has Iraq been stable. Then we have this line of argument that ISIS was organized in 1999 in Afghanistan before moving to Iraq in 2003. As for the leadership vacuum, it seems that our conservative friends have lost all memory of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Malik since they never seem to mention his names or his disastrous policies that led to this second uprising of disaffected Sunnis.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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The truck drivers were pretty much made to drive the trucks by ISIS. They had no choice. You notice it is not ISIS driving the trucks.

Killing civilians is exactly what ISIS wants us to do. It will help them win their war.

If Obama killed civilians 1/2 of us would raise he--, if he doesn't, the other half raises hell because he is not doing enough.

He asked the congress to declare war 14 months ago. Nothing yet. They can blame it all on him.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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What we learned in WWII was that carpet bombing of cities did absolutely nothing to degrade the Nazi's will to fight.
Yes it did and you are absolutely wrong.

Top Nazi leaders, including the well respected Rommel, tried more than once to assassinate Hitler to prevent Germany from being obliterated.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Let me repeat: None of the GOP presidential candidates would agree its a good idea to wipe out the civilians in order to get ISIS to surrender.
Ahh so you think best idea is to let our civilians die instead.

Your argument is a Red Herring to avoid having to discuss Obama's failures.


It's a war. People die in wars. Best for you to let the enemy die for their cause instead of the other way around. Putin knows this.
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