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Old 12-07-2015, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The AR15 is the most popular rifle in the country. I own 2 most gun owners own at least 1. Why would I want to ban my own home defense rifle? Because it scares you??
Because they are one of the most popular weapons used in mass shootings, sorry for the incovenience.

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I highly doubt they were converted to full auto. Any and all semi auto firearms could be converted to full auto cheap, does that mean they should all be banned?
Well there is your doubt and then there is the FBI and ATF going on record.

 
Old 12-07-2015, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Actually, no I haven't. I work in the boondocks and don't have the luxury of a television or a newspaper. So will you answer my question?
Well I think you have access to the internet and google don't you?

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Old 12-07-2015, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Default US Cannot Access Phone Records of San Bernadino Shooters

Access by NSA shutdown 4 days before shooting.

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The US government's ability to review and analyze five years' worth of telephone records for the married couple blamed for the San Bernardino massacre lapsed just four days before the shooting.

The National Security Agency's controversial mass surveillance program was formally shut down last week, days before Tashfeen Malik and her husband Syed Farook killed 14 people.Under a court order, those historical calling records at the NSA are now off-limits to agents running the FBI terrorism investigation - even with a warrant.
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Old 12-07-2015, 06:01 AM
 
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Because they are one of the most popular weapons used in mass shootings, sorry for the incovenience.


So we ban firearms in common use because they scare you?
 
Old 12-07-2015, 06:09 AM
 
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Because they are one of the most popular weapons used in mass shootings, sorry for the incovenience.
Wrong.

Semi Auto handguns by a 3 or 4 to 1 margin are the favored weapon of choice in mass shootings.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Title is wrong, the FBI can apply for a warrant to access the phone records from the phone company, you know like the good old days. It cannot get access if they still exist, (and they will unofficially, and probably will for a very long time) from the NSA.

Secondly, the entire claim in support of the bulk records collection was to prevent events like this happening. Clearly it's ability to prevent this event happening was sub-optimal, which implies that elimination will not have any significant impact. So cries for a return should be viewed through the lens of it's claimed use, prevention, and not that this event happened, the information needed is still available to sift through after the event.
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Old 12-07-2015, 06:37 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A good old fashion court order, using due process, will get you into the phone records. Like it always had.

NSA, was to find this before it happened, not to be used afterward. Remember they are not looking at records, they are looking at algorithms. It still takes a court order to look into individual records... Or did they lie to us again and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are right.... again!
 
Old 12-07-2015, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Title is wrong, the FBI can apply for a warrant to access the phone records from the phone company, you know like the good old days. It cannot get access if they still exist, (and they will unofficially, and probably will for a very long time) from the NSA.

Secondly, the entire claim in support of the bulk records collection was to prevent events like this happening. Clearly it's ability to prevent this event happening was sub-optimal, which implies that elimination will not have any significant impact. So cries for a return should be viewed through the lens of it's claimed use, prevention, and not that this event happened, the information needed is still available to sift through after the event.
The article indicates that those records are off limits to the FBI task force even with a warrant, I hope would they are not off limits to the investigation team.

Agreed on the bulk records collection.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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The article indicates that those records are off limits to the FBI task force even with a warrant, I hope would they are not off limits to the investigation team.
That's a bunch of horse-puckey. You go get a warrant, serve the warrant and the phone company needs to produce the records. CALEA requires this and it's also in previous telecoms laws and stretching back to the 1968 OCCSSA (and probably earlier)
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Old 12-07-2015, 06:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The article indicates that those records are off limits to the FBI task force even with a warrant, I hope would they are not off limits to the investigation team.

Agreed on the bulk records collection.


Don't be an idiot! The feds have come in guns in the face of the owners of the business to seize records, for much less. Remember Gibson Guitars? Over some wood, that was perfectly legal to have.

A court order... There must not be a case, for a judge not to issue an order to release the records.
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