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Old 12-02-2015, 09:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Bulldogdad View Post
Billions.

Active shooter engaugement techniques have change and improve immensely as well. Also as you pointed out the two situations were different.

Not to mention technology advancements.
I heard a discussion of your first point today. At Columbine, the police arrived, gathered, planned, and then went in. Now, first one on scene goes.

 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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This obviously is not just over a dispute at a party.

-Devout Muslim that would leave work to pray.
-Basically a suicide mission with 3 people total.
-Booby trapped house.
-Had tactical gear.

Obviously these guys had been prepping for such an event with an extreme ideology. Perhaps something at the party set it off in motion earlier than planned.

However, no one gets upset at a party...runs home, throws on their tactical gear they have laying around the house, rigs the home with explosives, grabs a couple buddies willing to die for your party feud and then go on a killing spree...




Exactly sounds planned when you think about it.
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:06 PM
 
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Its not about banning Syrian refugees, we just want them vetted out. Not hard to do.
this^^. vet the refuges before we let them in to the country.
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Why are the very people who wanted to call the shooting outside of a Planned Parenthood location "terrorism" within minutes of it happening the same people who are acting like this is just some random instance of workplace violence? hmmmmmmm
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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Did the police make a PC blunder not releasing his name hours ago? Immediately releasing the suspects name that is still on the loose, might have alerted people that recognized him and his whereabouts. Also plastering his face and picture all over the TV could inhibit his movement.
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Out West
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Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
That's my #2 theory.

#1 is Professor Plum in the library with a wrench.
Ha! You sure it was the wrench?
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:10 PM
 
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this^^. vet the refuges before we let them in to the country.
There is no vetting process that can guarantee 100% moderate Muslim refugees.
Even if FBI does manage to do that, after a few years a certain % of these Moderates will turn into Jihadists.
Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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I heard a discussion of your first point today. At Columbine, the police arrived, gathered, planned, and then went in. Now, first one on scene goes.
That was standard procedure back in the day.

Read up on the The North Holloywood Shootout in 1997 if you want to see how dramatic the changes in strategy, tactics and policies have changed in American Policing.
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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While the do-nothing Congress sits around picking their noses, these random shootings are becoming more frequent and more popular than eating pizza.

Congress Is Still Giving 'Quiet Endorsement' To Murders
and just what would you have them do that wont violate the constitution, AND be effective at the same time? you and your gun grabbers buddies in the media constantly harp on congress for not doing anything, but how about law enforcement? why are they not enforcing the laws on the books already? why is your golden boy obama not ordering the ATF and other federal agencies to go out and shut down the black market for guns? why isnt obamas justice department not cracking down on criminals that use guns to commit crimes?

instead of going after congress, go after the ones that refuse to enforce the laws.
 
Old 12-02-2015, 09:11 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The theories some news outlets are floating to avoid the obvious are laughable.
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