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Old 12-03-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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It would instill accountability. If you fail to secure your gun, and it's used in a crime, you should be held liable to at least some degree. If you fail to secure your gun and a toddler gets a hold of it, and someone is injured or killed as a result, you should be held liable.
Seriously? Think about what you're saying and tell us exactly how this is going to prevent gun violence in any way, shape or form?

I was going to go on a shooting rampage down at the local YMCA but I changed my mind after thinking about the effect it would have on my insurance premiums.

You do realize that liability insurance is MANDATORY in all 50 States right? You also realize that 1 in 8 drivers in the country operate their vehicles with NO INSURANCE right? So, how are we holding these folks liable that have no insurance on their cars and cause damage/injury to other drivers? Guess what? We don't! Most of these idiots walk away with NOTHING done to them while the person they hit is left paying for the damages to themselves or their vehicles on their own. Most of us carry Underinsured and Uninsured Driver coverage. Why is that if carrying liability insurance is MANDATORY by law if you operate a motor vehicle on the roadways?
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:04 AM
 
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It seems like a bit of a double standard, doesn't it? We often see posts on this forum from people "concerned" about the high levels of gun violence and murder in Chicago. These people wonder why President Obama or Rahm Emmanuel don't do more to address this issue. However, when it comes to mass shootings nationwide, these people do not want any action taken. Why is this?

Maybe because this year there have been 310 victims of mass shootings nationwide and 2,771 shootings in Chicago alone?

Shootings -- Crime in Chicagoland -- chicagotribune.com
Gun Violence Archive
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:29 AM
 
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It seems like a bit of a double standard, doesn't it? We often see posts on this forum from people "concerned" about the high levels of gun violence and murder in Chicago. These people wonder why President Obama or Rahm Emmanuel don't do more to address this issue. However, when it comes to mass shootings nationwide, these people do not want any action taken. Why is this?
Typical, pretend no one is discussing mass shootings, because no one cares about them.

We have 24/7 news coverage and the mods immediately sticky any and all threads about mass shootings. Tell me, do we do that with the multiple murders in our big cities? No we don't. So you have it all backwards, as usual.



Police say 16 injured after shooting at New Orleans park | Fox News

Did we have a sticky for this? Did it make your 24/7 cable news? No, because it does not move the democrat agenda for gun control.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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Maybe because this year there have been 310 victims of mass shootings nationwide and 2,771 shootings in Chicago alone?

Shootings -- Crime in Chicagoland -- chicagotribune.com
Gun Violence Archive
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OP, there's your answer. Even better, who commits over 90% of those murders in Chicago?

Fat racist white homophobes who vote for Trump...Or door number two?
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:51 AM
 
Location: MS
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We could at least try with true universal background checks and closing the gun show loophole. We should also require insurance on all firearms, like most states do with cars.

Let's not pretend you would get behind any of that, though.
By putting those as two separate issues, it shows that you don't know what you are talking about. The "gun show loophole" is just made up phrase to cover all face to face gun sales that do not require a NICS background check which is what you mean by "universal background checks".

So let's put this into place on Jan 1. No more face to face sales. All gun sales must happen through an FFL with a NICS background check. On Jan 2, I sell a gun to my friend Fred. On Jan 3, Fred is stopped by the police and they find the gun in his car. How do they know when he bought it? Are they going to run the serial number? It was made in 1987 and has been owned by 4 different people before Fred. Are they going to track down everyone?

In 2020, I am stopped by police carrying a gun in my car. I bought it from Fred on Jan 4, 2016 by going through that FFL on the corner. Or maybe is was the one on the other side of town. Or wait, we were on a hunting trip in the southern part of the state and we used an FFL down there. I'm really not sure where we performed the legal transfer. How do I keep myself out of jail?

You can't have universal background checks without registration and the majority of gun owners will not register.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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It seems like a bit of a double standard, doesn't it? We often see posts on this forum from people "concerned" about the high levels of gun violence and murder in Chicago. These people wonder why President Obama or Rahm Emmanuel don't do more to address this issue. However, when it comes to mass shootings nationwide, these people do not want any action taken. Why is this?



Chicago adds up to be worse than the mass shootings combined.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:00 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It seems like a bit of a double standard, doesn't it? We often see posts on this forum from people "concerned" about the high levels of gun violence and murder in Chicago. These people wonder why President Obama or Rahm Emmanuel don't do more to address this issue. However, when it comes to mass shootings nationwide, these people do not want any action taken. Why is this?
Chicago , newark, killings qualify as mass murder in some cases and collectively definitely couldbe labeled mass shooting as accumulated in any timeframe.


the predictability of where the next murder will take place is like getting a 'vowel' but legisaltors choose to pursue the utopian goal of no firearms in private hands at some time in the distant future. their theoretical goal justifies the daily killing in inner cities where innocent lives are sacrificed for an ideological agenda.


Proof is the passage of gun laws and the attempt to make theoretical cause and effect match reality. Newark,Nj is aperfect example of very tough gun laws and a rising murder rate. Obama stands up and proclaims the states with the strictest gun laws have the least rime and violence. An absolute lie. the only circumstance where that is true is on paper in an academic setting as proposed theory.


nothing will reduce these murders if the head of the country lies, defies evidence to the contrary and blindly clings to his ideological agenda.


Then again what mayor is going to admit a problem in his town. Throw in the social justice activists and lawyers and the media turned janitor for the obama administration and you have Chicago, newark et al.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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These are just mentally disturbed lone wolfs. Who happen to be right wingedand often espouse white nationalist ideology that sounds very similar to what you might hear from a talking head on fox or a blowhard on conservative talk radio.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It seems like a bit of a double standard, doesn't it? We often see posts on this forum from people "concerned" about the high levels of gun violence and murder in Chicago. These people wonder why President Obama or Rahm Emmanuel don't do more to address this issue. However, when it comes to mass shootings nationwide, these people do not want any action taken. Why is this?
Chicago tried strict gun control laws. They didn't work.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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No state requires insurance, license or registration on cars that are only used on private property. There is no age limit for buying a car, only to use it on public streets. You can buy a car online and have it delivered to your home. Do you really want to treat firearms like cars? Or are you just proving once again that you have no idea what you're talking about on this subject?
Wish I could rep you again!

Learned how to drive a stick shift pickup and a dirt bike around a friend's family's farm to help get chores done when I was 10. My husband has been riding motocross for decades from a very early age (too old for competition now, though... LOL!). All perfectly legal. No one batted an eye at any of it.
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