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Originally Posted by Northeastah
what is the fascination with blaming inanimate objects?
when someone is killed, LITERALLY using anything else but a gun, the murderer is blamed.
There are millions and millions and MILLIONS of law abiding citizens who have guns (MANY) and even more rounds of ammo, and have never killed anyone.
What's the obsession with collective punishment by wanting them all to be stripped of their rights and making them feel like criminals just for having the audacity to exercise their rights??!
Enough already!
Libs champion the argument about not judging an entire group based on some, but excel at doing this themselves.
you do know the Cecil was shot with a cross bow first and then finished with a gun, they should be blaming the cross bow and then the gun
What does infringed mean? Does it mean complete and utter disarmament?
A synonym can be 'restrict.' Passing regulations is restricting in every definition of the term. Your background checks, etc are infringing the second amendment.
If we are going to parse the word "infringed" thus, we can parse the rest of the text thus. What exactly is the right of the people to keep and bear arms? We can debate precisely what the authors of the Bill of Rights meant by that, but we can be pretty sure of a few things they did not mean; they did not mean that three-year-olds, or prisoners, or British spies, or slaves (!), or the insane, or even the constantly intoxicated, had an absolute right to carry any weapon they liked any place they liked at any time they liked. No society could be built on such a basis.
I'll concede your point about the federal/state distinction for the sake of argument--or at least that that was what James Madison and company believed. It's an interesting topic in its own right, but I don't believe it's germane to the thread.
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Owning guns is a freedom Americans have that others don't. It's a very important freedom, that states in the past only allocated to 'trusted' portions of the citizenry. For example the Ottoman Empire forbade Christians from owning guns.
It is one freedom, to be sure; but saying we are freer for having that freedom is a tautology; the impression I got was that you contend it is preserving other freedoms. To which I say: example?
The U.S., even with its relatively laissez-faire attitude towards firearms, has the largest percentage of its own population in prison of any nation on earth. We have draconian sentences for trivial offenses, corrupt, brutal police, corrupt politicians, corrupt media, a surveillance state...the whole nine yards.
I would like to know one area (besides itself) in which "the right to keep and bear arms" makes the U.S. a freer place than, say, Belgium.
If we are going to parse the word "infringed" thus, we can parse the rest of the text thus. What exactly is the right of the people to keep and bear arms? We can debate precisely what the authors of the Bill of Rights meant by that, but we can be pretty sure of a few things they did not mean; they did not mean that three-year-olds, or prisoners, or British spies, or slaves (!), or the insane, or even the constantly intoxicated, had an absolute right to carry any weapon they liked any place they liked at any time they liked. No society could be built on such a basis.
Can you be sure of those things?
The Founding Fathers never specified the limits on the right to bear arms precisely because that was intended to be done on a state by state basis. It's not up to the Federal government in any shape or form to pass such restrictions preventing a convicted felon or 3-year old from having a weapon. That was a matter left to the states, as the purpose of the 2nd Amendment reads:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
And her means
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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Basically state by state would be left to decide their own regulations, if the Federal government could then this would interfere with the State's ability to raise a militia from her own people. And this is precisely the state of the United States prior to the Civil War - there were no Federal gun laws prior to the Civil War. There was no Federal government law stating a 3-year old couldn't own a weapon, or a convicted felon couldn't own a weapon. That was all done on a state by state basis. This is why many states have the 2nd amendment in their own constitution, or they have other gun law provisions.
This is not up for debate, this is simply reality. The first major Federal gun law was passed in 1934.
No, I blame the dentist with a tiny penis....so do you blame ALL dentists with tiny penises because one of them poached a lion and has basically gotten away with it?
How do you know it's tiny? I know jerks with big penises and I know nice people with tiny ones. One thing for sure though, the dentist IS a big dick!
what is the fascination with blaming inanimate objects?
when someone is killed, LITERALLY using anything else but a gun, the murderer is blamed.
There are millions and millions and MILLIONS of law abiding citizens who have guns (MANY) and even more rounds of ammo, and have never killed anyone.
What's the obsession with collective punishment by wanting them all to be stripped of their rights and making them feel like criminals just for having the audacity to exercise their rights??!
Enough already!
Libs champion the argument about not judging an entire group based on some, but excel at doing this themselves.
IRRC Cecil was 1st shot with a bow and finished off a few days later with a rifle.
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