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Old 12-06-2015, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Gun laws are like locks they are to keep honest people honest. Honest people do not mind following laws to purchase things.

Its the dishonest we need to protect from using a system of laws with loop holes. Those loop holes need to be corrected when they are found.
The NRA and their GOP allies push the regulation is bad thing and use that to not correct issues.
Then again, we can waste our time and effort trying to correct "loop holes" in existing laws, it won't prevent criminals and terrorists from breaking the one basic law - humans are not supposed to inflict any harm on others.

Bottom line is, it's not the guns, it's the bad guys in society, and we already have many laws without loop holes, they will not address the root causes of the issue, criminals. In some cases the bad guys seem to have more rights than us honest citizens.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:29 AM
 
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Boss

The quote function either wasn't done correctly or it messed up.

The gun show regulations are a federal law.

There are already charges that can be brought against those who make straw purchases. If the feds refuse to prosecute the answer isn't in new laws the feds won't pursue and what a joke in suing someone for legally selling a product because the buyer then miss uses it.

Should we sue a rope manufacturer that has someone use their rope to strangle someone? Of course not.

There have been all sorts of studies. You can study until you are blue in the face and it changes nothing.

To a Nancy Pelosi your 30/30 is an assault weapon. It will kill as quickly as any "assault weapon".
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Then again, we can waste our time and effort trying to correct "loop holes" in existing laws, it won't prevent criminals and terrorists from breaking the one basic law - humans are not supposed to inflict any harm on others.

Bottom line is, it's not the guns, it's the bad guys in society, and we already many laws without loop holes, they will not address the root of the issues, criminals. In some cases the bad guys seem to have more rights than us honest citizens.
Doing nothing is not working. As a gun owner I want to be able to have the access needed when I want to.

Some how, we as a society, need to be able to come up with ideas to limit the carnage that is created by use of something a lot of us own lawfully.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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Doing nothing is not working. As a gun owner I want to be able to have the access needed when I want to.

Some how, we as a society, need to be able to come up with ideas to limit the carnage that is created by use of something a lot of us own lawfully.
I've covered this many times. We need to address the mental health issue in this country.

*Most* mass shooters have some sort of unresolved mental health issue and the same goes for suicides.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Boss

The quote function either wasn't done correctly or it messed up.

The gun show regulations are a federal law.

There is a problem then if the law is not being enforced. What changes to the law would make it work?

There are already charges that can be brought against those who make straw purchases. If the feds refuse to prosecute the answer isn't in new laws the feds won't pursue and what a joke in suing someone for legally selling a product because the buyer then miss uses it.

Again what change to the law will make it work? I threw out some ideas.

Should we sue a rope manufacturer that has someone use their rope to strangle someone? Of course not.

Yet auto makers and chemical companies and other's get lawsuits on them.

There have been all sorts of studies. You can study until you are blue in the face and it changes nothing.

The last studies have come from outside groups which my guess the NRA is going to try and silence.

To a Nancy Pelosi your 30/30 is an assault weapon. It will kill as quickly as any "assault weapon".
Well that is the way it is with some

Sitting by doing nothing does not work.

When it is now a better bet to get shot then to hit one of the multistate lotteries I see a problem. How to solve it is the issue.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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You have the right to own whatever you want....that's my objective reasoning.

Different story if you're threatening or committing violence against others, but simply owning it is an inalienable right.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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I've covered this many times. We need to address the mental health issue in this country.

*Most* mass shooters have some sort of unresolved mental health issue and the same goes for suicides.
You are right there. But we have now seen other issues, domestic problems mentioned by one in this tread,as well as access to people who do not understand what the freedoms we have as a nation really mean and fall for some strange internet nonsense.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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BOSS

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There is a problem then if the law is not being enforced. What changes to the law would make it work?
You can fire those who won't do their jobs and enforce the laws.

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Yet auto makers and chemical companies and other's get lawsuits on them.
When they do wrong, not when others misuse their products. Manufacture a gun that malfunctions and blows up in someone's hands and the manufacturer would rightly get sued.

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The last studies have come from outside groups which my guess the NRA is going to try and silence.
They can try all they want. Really they have no influence here other than to be a boogeyman.

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How to solve it is the issue.
Better mental health.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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You have the right to own whatever you want....that's my objective reasoning.

Different story if you're threatening or committing violence against others, but simply owning it is an inalienable right.
I think we the owners need to create what we think can work and not allow the NRA,corporations or congress try to come up with something that may not work.

We need to be able to give the members of congress our ideas and then allow them to create a law which will work.

Problem is that the reason needed for a law and its thousand of pages is the excessive wording needed to cover all areas.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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I think we the owners need to create what we think can work and not allow the NRA,corporations or congress try to come up with something that may not work.

We need to be able to give the members of congress our ideas and then allow them to create a law which will work.

Problem is that the reason needed for a law and its thousand of pages is the excessive wording needed to cover all areas.
It's a Constitutionally acknowledged right. There is very little more that can be done to address the law abiding citizen side.
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