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Old 12-06-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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All this gun banning stuff has been pumped up by the NRA!
Boo.
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Old 12-06-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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All this gun banning stuff has been pumped up by the NRA!
You obviously haven't been listening to your presidents speeches over the last 7 years.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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All this gun banning stuff has been pumped up by the NRA!
Nobody from the NRA has said anything to me about gun bans. Nor have I seen or read any interviews with anyone from the NRA about gun bans. What I have seen and heard is Obama calling for more restrictive firearms legislation on multiple occasions, along with other left wing politicians. Face it, Obama and the Democrats have spiked gun sales so much that it's almost like they're getting a commission from the firearms industry.
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Old 12-06-2015, 06:48 PM
 
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We already restrict people that are mentally ill (not nearly enough), criminal background and with restraining orders, why is different.
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All of those things require due process, with a open process that you can fight against.
Now if the Government wants to open up the process of how someone gets on the secret terror list, make a fair and legal process for getting yourself off the list.



bill
bill is right, as long as there is proper due process of law, a persons rights can be restricted if one is convicted of a crime. but you cannot just throw someones name on a list without going through that due process, which includes being able to face your accuser, and then restrict their rights.

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I think to use the 2nd Amendment, adopted in 1791 during the supreme ignorance that was Slavery, is absolutely no basis for determining what our gun laws should be in the 21st century. That Conservatives cling to the belief that is does, is one of the greatest absurdities of American society. Severe gun restrictions are needed today. This should include gun confiscation and harsh penalties for violators.

To also say, discuss "without emotion", is itself utterly absurd. Tell that to the families of the people who were killed.
you need to grow up and get a clue about the constitution itself. it was not a set of laws, but rather a framework by which we craft our laws, and it lays out the powers of each division of government, and it restricts what the government can do. it also allows for the framework to be changed if the people feel the need to change it.
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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bill is right, as long as there is proper due process of law, a persons rights can be restricted if one is convicted of a crime. but you cannot just throw someones name on a list without going through that due process, which includes being able to face your accuser, and then restrict their rights.



you need to grow up and get a clue about the constitution itself. it was not a set of laws, but rather a framework by which we craft our laws, and it lays out the powers of each division of government, and it restricts what the government can do. it also allows for the framework to be changed if the people feel the need to change it.
Well yes those 700,000 on the terror watch list could be afforded due process and about 5-10 years from now we could address the list as it stands today, or we could temporarily remove their right to own a gun and they could demonstrate that this was a mistake.


I guess we will just wait for the next attack.
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:29 PM
 
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The president and the D candidates have way overstepped on this one. There is no way there is going to be widespread support of using secret executive lists to control fundamental rights.
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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No more purchase of guns at gun shows. no back round check no sale.

No more purchase and give the gun to someone else. Original purchaser needs to go to jail if the gifted or given weapon is used in a crime.

Keep purchase records in a proper data base. The gun manufacturers are who I think should have all purchase info for as long as the individual gun has not been destroyed, ( every transaction on every gun they make) this way the Govt will not have lists.

Get assault weapons off the market. They are for one thing and one thing only, the killing of other people.

A little responsibility shown by all gun owners can fix this.

A gun owner

BS. None of that makes anyone any safer. More "feel good" crap. Love the "Data Base" suggestion. Like the Government is going to be told they can't have the lists of gun owners, when the Feds show up with a Court Order, signed by an unknown "Secret" Judge, or a "Secret Court. Will work as good as the Phone Company not letting the Government listen to your calls.


A Gun Owner? Right, let me make note of that. What do you own? A Double Barrel Shotgun? Bolt Action 22? Good gun owner, if you still use the irrational anti-gun term "Assault Rifle."


Your an anti-gun person with a gun. Not a "Gun Owner"
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:53 PM
 
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Well yes those 700,000 on the terror watch list could be afforded due process and about 5-10 years from now we could address the list as it stands today, or we could temporarily remove their right to own a gun and they could demonstrate that this was a mistake.


I guess we will just wait for the next attack.
ok again, WHERE IS THE DUE PROCESS???? you CANNOT restrict ones rights WITHOUT due process. how would you like it if the government put you on some kind of watch list and said you cant go anywhere outside of a certain area just because we think you will cause problems? oh, and you were put on the list both mistakenly and without proper due process, and there is NO legal recourse to get your name removed from the list due to national security concerns?

or suppose the government cut off your internet and phone because you are on a government watch list, again no recourse to get off the list.

why is it that either side wants to restrict the rights of the people just because?
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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I would like to see certain classes of guns prohibited, like the AR-15 assault rifle.

If one is interested in protecting his or her home, then there are plenty of weapons that will do the job. We have two shotguns and a handgun, which will suffice.

Constitutionally, I disagree with those who believe that the 'right to bear arms' means that literally every type of 'arm' is sacred. One may easily prohibit certain types of weapons (machine gun, etc) with the citizens of this country still having a massive choice of self-defense weapons. It is rather childish to proclaim that if one cannot purchase one particular weapon then their constitutional right is being violated.

The Constitution also has a prohibition regarding the freedom of speech, but there are, even then, certain limitations.

Those that wish to kill a lot of people quickly, should have their choices more limited (not being able to purchase AR-15s, etc). Those that are interested in self-defense have a wide variety of weapons at their disposal.

I recognize that the genie is already out of the bottle. There are plenty of AR-15s in private hands, so a 'ban' on such will not affect those that already own one (including budding mass killers). Yet, in the years to come, perhaps it will save some lives.

Who gets to decide what these "classes" are. Some whacko Anti-Gun Nut Job?


Wake up. Certain types of weapons have been banned a long time ago, and are still banned from being owned by ordinary Gun Owners. Including Machine Guns.


Its un-American to "Not" stand up for the Constitution and allow people to dictate what it means in their opinion. Its plain enough that it does not need an explanation.


In "Years to Come" everyone will be making their own Weapons on 3D Printers, including Machine Guns, and likely even Laser Guns. No serial numbers, no registration, no way to control anything. Be grateful for what Laws you still have.
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:55 PM
 
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ok again, WHERE IS THE DUE PROCESS???? you CANNOT restrict ones rights WITHOUT due process. how would you like it if the government put you on some kind of watch list and said you cant go anywhere outside of a certain area just because we think you will cause problems? oh, and you were put on the list both mistakenly and without proper due process, and there is NO legal recourse to get your name removed from the list due to national security concerns?

or suppose the government cut off your internet and phone because you are on a government watch list, again no recourse to get off the list.

why is it that either side wants to restrict the rights of the people just because?
Due process is for squares. Why dont you trust dear leader? Do you hate children?
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