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Old 12-10-2015, 01:23 PM
 
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common sense.... dispassionate common sense....




so in an effort to comply with the OPs request there are several solid points upon which we should find good solid agreement and from that develop policy/law.


Case in point. virtually ALL mass shootings have taken place in so called "gun free zones" Therefore it makes perfect sense to eliminate such places. getting rid of gun free zones, (making all places concealed carry zones insures that there are no places killers can go to do their evil acts without fear of resistance.


Second, the worst such cases have come in schools. Further, in these cases, upon the entry of Law Enforcement, the shooters have turned their own guns on themselves.
Therefore it seems perfectly reasonable to reduce the response time by arming teachers, so that the teachers can respond immediately. This reduces the time a shooter has free reign by next to zero seconds.


Thank you for offering a place to discuss gun law with logic and not emotion. New Gun Laws are certainly needed. These two stand at the forefront.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:02 PM
 
Location: California
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SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ET AL. v. HELLER
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
No. 07–290. Argued March 18, 2008—Decided June 26, 2008

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

QED
Thats a loose interpretation of the ammendment just like Roe vs. Wade was of the first. Even still most people, myself included agree with it. However, bringing those guns out of the home except to designated hunting/shooting (and during transportation with safety on and bullets stored separately from the weapon) areas should be dependent on local state and city ordinances. Then if all the gun maniacs leave places like NY and CA and shoot each other up with impunity in the South it wont concern me.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Thats a loose interpretation of the ammendment just like Roe vs. Wade was of the first. Even still most people, myself included agree with it. However, bringing those guns out of the home except to designated hunting/shooting (and during transportation with safety on and bullets stored separately from the weapon) areas should be dependent on local state and city ordinances. Then if all the gun maniacs leave places like NY and CA and shoot each other up with impunity in the South it wont concern me. Terrorist attacks and gangs will still remain problems everywhere but the chance of them harming somone is miniscule.

States do not have authority to pass laws that restrict federal law or rights.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:28 PM
 
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Thats a loose interpretation of the ammendment just like Roe vs. Wade was of the first. Even still most people, myself included agree with it. However, bringing those guns out of the home except to designated hunting/shooting (and during transportation with safety on and bullets stored separately from the weapon) areas should be dependent on local state and city ordinances. Then if all the gun maniacs leave places like NY and CA and shoot each other up with impunity in the South it wont concern me.
a loose interpretation? where do you get that nonsense?
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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In about 13 months, Obozo will be out of office. With any luck we'll have someone with a brain to replace him.

That might open the path to some radical new gun legislation. Like mandatory gun ownership for a head of household (assuming they are legal to do so). This is something that would be a deterrent to both common street crime, let alone terrorism.

2nd thing-federal concealed carry law-one that overrides some backwards cities that deny the civil rights of people in those cities.

And finally-an end to "gun free" zones. Given that 92% of so-called mass shootings take place in gun free zones....would a 92% reduction be a good thing or not?

Perhaps President Trump can bring that through executive orders his first week in office.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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In about 13 months, Obozo will be out of office. With any luck we'll have someone with a brain to replace him.

That might open the path to some radical new gun legislation. Like mandatory gun ownership for a head of household (assuming they are legal to do so). This is something that would be a deterrent to both common street crime, let alone terrorism.

2nd thing-federal concealed carry law-one that overrides some backwards cities that deny the civil rights of people in those cities.

And finally-an end to "gun free" zones. Given that 92% of so-called mass shootings take place in gun free zones....would a 92% reduction be a good thing or not?

Perhaps President Trump can bring that through executive orders his first week in office.
From the looks of things there will be yet another democrat in the white house, common sense gun rights will at some point prevail.


Gun rights have not changed in 7 years.


The answer isn't always more guns.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:43 PM
 
Location: California
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a loose interpretation? where do you get that nonsense?
Someone just post the 2nd ammendment on here. It says a right to form a militia not own guns privately and wander the streets with them. The ammendment is too vague to be used a conclusive statement on the exact legality of which and where guns can be used. At minimum the 2nd ammendment guarantees the right to form a private militia. And the other extreme it could be interpreted that private citizens can own any weapon they can afford to buy with no restrictions. Common sense dictates the reality should be somewhere in between those two extremes, but it should be up to states to decide exactly which works for them.

Clauses from the bill of rights about freedom of speech and unwarranted seizure and arrest are much, much clearer and leave a lot less wiggle room. Of course most of the right wing nut jobs on here support the Patriot Act which directly violates those constitutional rights as well.

As for the previously mentioned mandatory gun ownership, thatll kill far more poeple than itll save. Most gun deaths arent due to mass shootings, but one on one disputes, and gang violence (the latter of which admittedly cant be stopped via gun restrictions very well).
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:56 PM
 
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It is likely to be a bit of a cusp. If, as I project, Clinton moves in the right has huge problems. Trump is polarizing enough that we end up with a Goldwater equivalent. A monumental landslide. Not sure Clinton could do that against the more rational Republicans but with Trump...you bet.

Then the terrible problems. Can the five conservative USSC judges make it through another four years? 8 years? And then the census year of 2020 is a Presidential year...so we come out of it with a potential strong democrat surge into the redistricting. How well will the Republicans do after their gerrymanders are reversed?

Going to be a fun time...
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Old 12-10-2015, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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From the looks of things there will be yet another democrat in the white house, common sense gun rights will at some point prevail.

I have laid out some common sense gun laws. Democrats are far too happy for innocent people to die and for others to have their civil rights voided if their facist supporters are placated. Hopefully most of the country can not stomach another corrupt Clinton in the White House.
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Old 12-10-2015, 08:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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From the looks of things there will be yet another democrat in the white house, common sense gun rights will at some point prevail.


Gun rights have not changed in 7 years.


The answer isn't always more guns.
Neither is passing laws that do nothing but make a few feel better.
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