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Old 12-05-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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"Common sense"?

That's what liberal take leave of when firearms are the subject.
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So we should discuss what gun laws we would like to see, but without the emotion?
Good one, that didn't take long and by the OP no less.
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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Kennesaw City GA was one. There is more out there that require. Its a hot debate, but, citys have done it.
And automatic weapons are not allowed to be produced , since the 80's I believe, and you can own them, but need an ATF stamp for it. You will be checked on with this periodically..
All guns are pretty much semi auto.. Even revolvers are , you just keep pulling triggers.
Problem with gun laws, criminals dont abide by the law. They are your problem. Not a typical US citizen. We have over 300 million guns/rifles etc that are known in this country.. Think about it.
And even with statistics showing most deaths are suicides are with guns, everyone wants to control more.
Kennesaw shows no substantive crime change over the last decade. It looks like a bedroom community which I presume it is. In fact it does worse than the US average in terms of change.

It would be simple to outlaw semi-automatics. Simply require a minimum of action between shots. Bolt action for instance. The ban would be on any device that will fire with only a subsequent trigger pull.
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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2A aside, what laws that arent already on the books would you like to see implemented?
Here ya go:

  • a 72-hour waiting period for prospective gun buyers
  • prospective gun owners must receive information about alternative to guns, like “peaceful and nonviolent conflict resolution.”
  • prospective gun owners must meet with a licensed physician to discuss the risks of gun ownership
  • prospective gun owners must tour an emergency trauma center treating victims of gun violence, meet with at least two families affected by gun violence, and talk to two local faith leaders who have performed funerals for children who have been killed by guns.
  • after 72-hour waiting period, require prospective gun buyers find a licensed firearm dealer located at least 120 miles from their home to purchase their gun
  • after gun purchase, new gun owner must watch a 30-minute video in the presence of the firearm dealer that details fatal gun injuries and review information about alternatives to purchasing a firearm.

Oh. Wait a minute. Sorry. Got this confused with the kinds of the hoops women have to jump through to get an abortion. My bad.
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Those on the terrorist watch list should not be allowed to purchase any guns.

Ban assault weapons.

Gun registry database.
Remember, lets keep emotion out of this.

That said, you don't see any problem with a secret government list removing constitutional rights from a citizen without any due process?
What if they removed other rights like freedom of speech, or religion.

bill
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:07 PM
 
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You want facts? Okay...


Study: Gun homicides, violence down sharply in past 20 years - CNN.com


end of discussion


Study: Gun homicides, violence down sharply in past 20 years
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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"Common sense"?

That's what liberal take leave of when firearms are the subject.
Exactly. It has no meaning and none have any laws that they think are simplistic in manner and implementation.
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:10 PM
 
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Remember, lets keep emotion out of this.

That said, you don't see any problem with a secret government list removing constitutional rights from a citizen without any due process?
What if they removed other rights like freedom of speech, or religion.

bill
Same as no fly list. There is no Due Process.. Not how our law system works. Just like IRS seizing all your assets.... Illegal..
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I see no reason for more Federal, State or Local gun restrictions. We already have quite enough. To start with shooting someone with a gun and only wounding them is Assault with a deadly weapon or attempted Murder. Both are already illegal. If you have ever been convicted of a felony, violent or not, you may not own a gun of any kind. That is already illegal. If you are caught with a gun you will be charged with a felony.


I believe the only major change we should have is one that forces all State and Local governments to recognize all the rest of the States carry permits if any. Vermont for instance does not have any carry permit for handguns. I would also like to see the Federal Firearms Law of 1934 eliminated and any and all sales records destroyed. No government can be trusted with knowledge of citizens ownership of firearms.


I would like to see firearms classes and interschool target shooting in all public schools in order to teach the kids what guns are, what they can do and when and where they can be used. We would all be safer if most of the law abiding citizens were knowledgeable about firearms. I have written much more about my views on gun control on other threads. In summary we need more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens than less. We also need to eliminate so called gun free zones as they are only free of guns carried by the law abiding. all these zones really do is assure criminals and terrorists that no one will shoot back while the goblins attack.


I consider these proposals rational and unemotional.
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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Yes you can. The 2A gurantees the right to own. The laws restrict and control the people within the USA that own it. Think about it. Not everyone here is a USA citizen. And we have laws that further control who can and cannot own..
If some politicians had their way, the 2A would be amended, and then right after that 1A, then 3 and 4...
You discussed 2A in your argument.
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