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Old 12-15-2015, 05:02 PM
 
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Hey, crapper John, just went to the range this past weekend. Just practiced with a Smith M&P 9mm and a .380. I practice often with the .380 because I carry it so much due to its diminutive size and concealment benefits (Read: can't carry a bigger one at work or I would be out the door or answering to cops routinely).


10 lane range. Small stuff. 2 lanes to my right, I noticed two younger guys trying out a new glock one of them just bought. Despite the litany of signs and rules posted everywhere, they proceeded to see just how fast they could empty a magazine over and over and over and over again.....


Slow day at the range and so I just kept a wary eye on them. Not for being a pest but, they weren't handling the weapon all that safely. They were taking turns joking around and starting to get "loose" after a couple of boxes of ammo. One started the side shooting gangsta style....you know, hold the weapon sideways at a 90 degree angle....they were right handed and I was to the left so I thought worst case, they will spray the other guys target further down the range.


The range officer told them to knock it off and for awhile, they behaved....but, after about 20 minutes they were back to trading double taps for quintuple taps.....f'in' idiots.....I also noticed they were spraying the target at 7 yards....hits looked to be about 70 percent in the silhouette....somewhere......


Now, add adrenalin at 3 in the morning when things go bump, their "marksmanship" skills and you can see why I want to have a test??? 30% of their rounds were flyers at roughly 21-25 feet. Imagine how many they will spray when under stress.....


There's a REASON for the test. One needs to show a modicum of safety and competent handling. Not so much to save them but, to save the neighbors, the neighbors kids, first responders, or the paperboy as a mistake at 5 AM......


Me? After the second round of Heckel and Jekyll I left quietly. No need to find out who was going to accidentally shoot whom first.


Now tell me, have you NEVER seen this behavior at the ranges before? Are you SUUUUUREEEEE you want ANYONE to own a handgun without at least a "check flight"?
I have see unsafe practices during training. But, if a Range Safety Officer didnt remove them, well there lies the problem.
You always have bad apples, but with over half the country owning multiple weapons, our %'s are pretty low for issues like this. Not that it was right, as they should have been removed immedialtely.
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Old 12-17-2015, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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I have see unsafe practices during training. But, if a Range Safety Officer didnt remove them, well there lies the problem.
You always have bad apples, but with over half the country owning multiple weapons, our %'s are pretty low for issues like this. Not that it was right, as they should have been removed immedialtely.
Agreed, however, it only takes a few. Remember that range instructor who let the small kid fire an Uzi and it " climbed" and killed the instructor? The compilation of bafoonery with deadly weapons is amazing. And it happens too often despite it being a small percentage overall.

All I'm saying is that for anyone who wishes to own a forearm for the first IMO, let's just make sure they have a modicum of legal, technical, and moral proficiency that keeps them and the public safe. It's not much to ask and it would domwondersnfor our image as sports shooting enthusiasts.

I figure, If we "police our own", no one will be able to defeat the second ammendment.

Carry on,
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Old 12-17-2015, 11:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Your vote, is way deadlier than any gun can be.

Remember that, before they take that away.
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Old 12-17-2015, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Agreed, however, it only takes a few. Remember that range instructor who let the small kid fire an Uzi and it " climbed" and killed the instructor? The compilation of bafoonery with deadly weapons is amazing. And it happens too often despite it being a small percentage overall.

All I'm saying is that for anyone who wishes to own a forearm for the first IMO, let's just make sure they have a modicum of legal, technical, and moral proficiency that keeps them and the public safe. It's not much to ask and it would domwondersnfor our image as sports shooting enthusiasts.

I figure, If we "police our own", no one will be able to defeat the second ammendment.

Carry on,

You are confusing the actions of two idiots at a private shooting range with the actions of the government as a condition to exercise an afforded right.


Many cities require drivers education classes as a condition for a driver license. Ignoring that the right to bear arms is not a privilege, it's still a fact that plenty of kids still drive like idiots after taking the class and watching videos of nasty wrecks. The same will happen even if we require some cursory training for firearms. We simply can't legislate away stupidity and the cost to live in a free society sometimes is expensive.

It was up to the range officer to kick those kids out pronto.

I've posted that I don't see a problem with some basic safety course. In the late 60's they still taught us basic firearms safety in public schools. Go figure. Today we just teach kids how to screw safely.
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Old 12-18-2015, 06:18 AM
 
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The purpose of the laws was to prevent mass shootings. It has worked perfectly.

Beyond that gun crime and murder has also continued to decline. It's great that yours has too, though nothing to be really proud of that you are now down to extreme levels from really really extreme.
No, they just went to stabbings. 8 dead by gun and 8 dead by knife, doesn't matter.
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