Common Sense Gun laws. Discuss without emotion.. (votes, gun control, murder)
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When was the Constitution written and signed? Do you seriously think that the wording applies to this century?
A person has the right to own and carry a firearm. Does a person have the right to kill at will? That includes trigger happy police officers. Why can't police officers shoot people running away, in the legs?? Why are some police officers shooting people in the back? What happened before cameras? Too much to comprehend.
Law enforcement, here in Colorado Springs, on that horrific black Friday; saved so many lives and took bullets from the shooter; one policeman was shot in the face. There are good and bad on both sides of the law.
Something has to give. I admire how Australia turned in all the assault guns. Might not be the complete answer; but it is a start. Commas are killing people?
Doesn't matter when it was signed. The Rights still apply. Just like your 1st Amendment Right still applies to the internet even though the internet didn't exist when it was signed.
Who says owning and carrying lead to "killing at will"? Only a nutty lib, I suppose. Murder is illegal.
You may "admire" how Australia turned in their guns, but it wasn't voluntary. It was a gun grab, and was mandatory. It also didn't affect mass murders AT ALL. While shooting deaths went down, deaths by other means, such as beating, stabbing and fire, all went up. A LOT. So not only is it not a "complete" answer, it isn't even a partial answer. Because it didn't work to fix the problem, it just shifted the weapon.
Why do you hate the citizens of this country so much that you wish to disarm them, and render them helpless against criminals, who WILL NOT OBEY THE LAW?
Other than a 59% drop in homicides by firearms between 1995 and 2005 the Australian move against guns has been a bust. In the decade before the 1996 Port Arthur massacre there had been 11 mass shootings in Australia but since then there have been ZERO. I took your advice and Googled it.
Your Google machine must be broken. There were not ZERO shootings after 1996, there were 4 resulting in 13 deaths.
The number of killings by other means also skyrocketed.
Number of mass killings by fire prior to 1996 - 1 resulting in 15 deaths
Number of mass killings by fire after 1996 - 4 resulting 171 deaths
Number of mass killings by acid prior to 1996 - 0
Number of mass killings by acid after 1996 - 1 resulting in 12 deaths
true that declaration is not in the first amendment directly, however they did start off the first amendment with "congress shall make no law".
"Shall not be infringed" covers everything: presidential executive orders, and local, state, and federal laws and actions.
It IS a significant and irrevocable statement. The Second Amendment cannot be repealed. Not even a new Amendment can reverse it. Either would be an infringement, which is unConstitutional.
It should be illegal for any elected official who opposes guns to own a gun and/or receive protection from an armed Secret Service or other armed security contingent.
EXACTLY!
Just like all politicians who passed ACA should only be allowed to be on a silver plan, without a secondary insurance, and without public moneys paying for them.
Politicians are so disconnected, simply because they are above the laws they pass.
Remember when the Passenger Bill of Rights was passed? Passengers had been tarmac stranded for years, but when it happened to a Congressmen VIOLA the new bill flew through the House.
Nothing gets done, not really, until a politician is affected... their inability to do anything suddenly vanishes.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
"Shall not be infringed" covers everything: presidential executive orders, and local, state, and federal laws and actions.
It IS a significant and irrevocable statement. The Second Amendment cannot be repealed. Not even a new Amendment can reverse it. Either would be an infringement, which is unConstitutional.
Can you cite when the constitution stopped any of the last three administrations, and especially this one?
As I've said before;the states are simply ignoring habeas corpus altogether by using involuntary holds (they can't call it arresting because that would make it illegal ) to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens. Florida seems to the worst, followed closely by California. When you try to fight in court you are considered guilty until you prove to the judge you are innocent.
"Shall not be infringed" covers everything: presidential executive orders, and local, state, and federal laws and actions.
It IS a significant and irrevocable statement. The Second Amendment cannot be repealed. Not even a new Amendment can reverse it. Either would be an infringement, which is unConstitutional.
the second amendment CAN be repealed using the procedure listed in the constitution itself. if 2/3rds of each house of congress pass an amendment repealing the second, and if the president signs such an amendment, and if 38 states ratify that amendment, then the second amendment is gone, along with its inherent protections. that said however, i seriously doubt that any of that would happen.
Can you cite when the constitution stopped any of the last three administrations, and especially this one?
As I've said before;the states are simply ignoring habeas corpus altogether by using involuntary holds (they can't call it arresting because that would make it illegal ) to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens. Florida seems to the worst, followed closely by California. When you try to fight in court you are considered guilty until you prove to the judge you are innocent.
Yeah, I know. We've been living in a rogue country that has been trampling our Constitutional rights for decades, and no one will do a damned thing about it.
the second amendment CAN be repealed using the procedure listed in the constitution itself. if 2/3rds of each house of congress pass an amendment repealing the second, and if the president signs such an amendment, and if 38 states ratify that amendment, then the second amendment is gone, along with its inherent protections. that said however, i seriously doubt that any of that would happen.
Even if it could, are you naive enough to believe that you could get enough support nationwide to repeal the 2nd amendment? Good Luck. It won't happen...
Even if it could, are you naive enough to believe that you could get enough support nationwide to repeal the 2nd amendment? Good Luck. It won't happen...
Even if it were to happen, I can only imagine the melee that would ensue the day that it happens. You might as well kiss society as we know it good bye. Does anyone especially these radical leftists think that the majority of gunowners would comply?
No, it can't. That's an infringement, and therefore unConstitutional. The Second Amendmentdoesn't say "shall not be infringed, except for repealment."
any amendment can be repealed, read the damned constitution.
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Originally Posted by freightshaker
Even if it could, are you naive enough to believe that you could get enough support nationwide to repeal the 2nd amendment? Good Luck. It won't happen...
did you bother to read everything i wrote? or did you just get lazy and only read the first part? reread what i wrote that you quoted and note that i indicated that it very likely would never happen.
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In the decade before the 1996 Port Arthur massacre there had been 11 mass shootings in Australia but since then there have been ZERO. I took your advice and Googled it.
) to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens. Florida seems to the worst, followed closely by California. When you try to fight in court you are considered guilty until you prove to the judge you are innocent.
