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Old 12-06-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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What exactly are "high IQ" people? How is it even possible to define intelligence?
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I mean get it that certain genetic traits may just be better like improved speed and reduces odds of getting illness but this idea that there is such a thing as smart people sperm is just nonsense.
You don't believe intelligence is heritable or... uh... you don't believe that smart people have sperm?
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:45 AM
 
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We are the only animal in the kingdom of animals and mammals that actually dont practice Eugenics. Of course alcohol plays a big part in some choices...
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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I mean get it that certain genetic traits may just be better like improved speed and reduces odds of getting illness but this idea that there is such a thing as smart people sperm is just nonsense.
Maybe you don't get it because you and your ancestors were not one of them.
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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We are the only animal in the kingdom of animals and mammals that actually dont practice Eugenics. Of course alcohol plays a big part in some choices...
I think third world countries practice Eugenics more so than USA.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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Sperm Banks..... Eugenics..... aren't those porn star names?
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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I would think that most, if not 90%+ parents would choose sperms from donors with high IQ, 5'9 plus tall, etc. as opposed to high school graduates with a double digit IQ.

Isn't that some form of Eugenics, and a less effective form of Robert Graham's program?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Klark_Graham
I mean, there are similar aspects, the Eugenics is generally considered evil. Granted, this is because some of the most predominant supports of Eugenics were people like Hitler. Another phrase that has a similar ring of evil is 'Social Darwinism.'

Now, it is true that sperm banks do tend to prefer 'desirable.' However, it's not really about creating a master race, and more about capitalism. There's more a demand for tall, fit, intelligent, men with dark hair than there is for short, pudgy, ginger men. It's not that the latter is 'bad,' it's just less likely to be sought after.

Eugenics as a whole has gotten a bad name because of the crazy racists who thought they could use it to kill off those they don't like. But the idea of creating better offspring, which is central to eugenics, isn't really a bad thing. A bit harsh, but not evil. People do it all the time. Picking a spouse if a form of eugenics too. Seeing as sperm banks don't kill the applicants they deem inferior, I feel the comparison isn't a good idea.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Clovis Strong, NM
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I'm guessing most, if not all, sperm banks I've checked out all had some sort of college degree requirement for donors.
My guess is that if you've obtained a degree of some type before their mandatory, age cut-off date, then that counts as a convenient sign of a high IQ/intellect rating.

As for the reasoning behind someone wanting to donate sperm?
Perhaps they desire to pass on genetic traits, but don't want to deal with the hassle of normal, male/female relationship.
Or even wilder things like; Maybe they want perform both fatherly and the motherly duties of raising a child of their own, personal genetic stock.
I mean, they could always adopt, but there's always going to be some "super-selective" person out there that will always have it in their head that the kid "was never theirs" to begin with.

So for those of us that can't meet all the requirements in time, or just won't be able to meet them at all(ie,. we've met our height limit), we're pretty much either left to fend for ourselves.(ie., either die and not pass on genes, or get out there and "make romantic connections" like everyone else).
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I would think that most, if not 90%+ parents would choose sperms from donors with high IQ, 5'9 plus tall, etc. as opposed to high school graduates with a double digit IQ.

Isn't that some form of Eugenics, and a less effective form of Robert Graham's program?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Klark_Graham
Today, it is possible to screen for hundreds of genetic diseases, and in the future many more screening procedures will be possible. However, if further genetic screening on donors is carried out, it will be difficult to assess when or where to stop.

There are key differences between Eugenics, and Social Darwinism.

I don't know anything about sperm banks, and the very concept is foreign to me. But I assume Social Darwinists generally argue that the strong should see their wealth and power increase while the weak should see their wealth and power decrease. Different social Darwinists have different .views about which groups of people are the strong and the weak. It is a pretty evil concept.

Sperm bank is not the same as that.

Interesting that you mentioned height, I think most parents want to produce taller, happy, healthy, smart, and physically attractive and fit kids. It is not really social darwinism. I am 5'7" and I don't have any short relatives, family members (except my sister), my current boyfriend is 6'3" and chances are our future kids would be tall. But nothing is really predictable. Any type of obsession can be unhealthy, I assume most people choose from sperm bank just want their future babies to be happy and healthy.
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