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Old 12-12-2015, 08:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
Most "poor" people in America have a car, air conditioner, tv, refrigerator, stove, microwave oven, cell phone, dvd player and many other material goods that are only available to affluent people in truly poor countries.

Poverty in America is overstated and political.
Why don't you live in a poverty stricken neighborhood for a week and tell me the things they really have. I don't know what you base your info on but please live there and see for yourself.
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Old 12-12-2015, 10:10 PM
 
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Yes I do. Apparently, more than you do. Zoning has to do with lot size and nothing else. A 1 acre lot in a rural area would be far less expensive than a 1/8 acre lot in an area that is closer to a city center.

And nowhere are people with low incomes banned. Please stop blaming zoning for the fact that you have not, in your 30 years of working, managed to save and/or earn enough to buy a home. And stop blaming zoning for the fact that you have caviar taste on a McDonald's budget. All those years ago, you could have compromised and bought a starter home. But you missed out on the "one" home you had to have, and have whined since then about the unfairness of it all.

zoning is about establishing and segregating permissable land uses within a municipality.

if you don't specifically allow multiple units on a lot, you can deny building permits for multi-unit housing, and they won't be built. or you might have a zone allowing up to say 8 apartments for acre and another zone allowing up to 16 per acre.

zoning has traditionally been used for two primary purposes: to segregate conflicting and especially incompatible land uses (e.g. nobody wants a pig farm in their neighborhood), and to exclude or restrict economic classes below the locally prevailing economic class. e.g. minimum lot sizes prevent lower economic classes from buying into the community; not zoning for apartments can prevent them from renting as well.

zoning obviously doesn't ban lower-income people from inheriting property or from living with related property owners but it is often used to create a barrier to entry through purchase, which is usually the most common way people acquire property.

i knew a bus driver (and his kids) who lived in that UMC town, so obviously he wasn't banned from living there. but he lived there only because his father was a property owner who built the family home in 1898. he NEVER could have afforded to buy or rent his way into that town.
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Old 12-12-2015, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Liberals keep parroting meaningless statistics like "The X richest people own Y% of the wealth". My question is, why do you consider this an issue?
If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.

And you wouldn't understand.
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Old 12-12-2015, 10:23 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Because they can rail against the rich, even if they are one and get elected.
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Old 12-12-2015, 11:24 PM
 
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Some people have a lot of wealth and that makes other people envious. Some will work harder to try to attain a higher level of wealth and the higher standard of living that comes with it. Others will whine and demand that the government confiscate other people's wealth because they can't or won't build their own wealth. And there you have the two sides of the political spectrum.
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Old 12-12-2015, 11:35 PM
 
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Some people have a lot of wealth and that makes other people envious. Some will work harder to try to attain a higher level of wealth and the higher standard of living that comes with it. Others will whine and demand that the government confiscate other people's wealth because they can't or won't build their own wealth. And there you have the two sides of the political spectrum.
When someone works their ass off working multiple jobs to make ends meet versus an athletic or whoever who gets paid millions....for what. It's not envy. I think it's more frustration
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Old 12-13-2015, 05:08 AM
 
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Some people have a lot of wealth and that makes other people envious. Some will work harder to try to attain a higher level of wealth and the higher standard of living that comes with it. Others will whine and demand that the government confiscate other people's wealth because they can't or won't build their own wealth. And there you have the two sides of the political spectrum.
I admit, it did **** me off when the banks whined and demanded the government confiscate trillions in taxpayers money to make them whole again.
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