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Old 12-07-2015, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Hitler was raised Catholic, attended monastery schools and at one point, aspired to become a priest. His anti- Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Priests and Protestant ministers had been preaching anti- Semitism throughout Germany for hundreds of years.

Hitler could not have come into power without the direct support of Protestant and Catholic leaders.

Hitter used religion as a tool to achieve his goals. The majority of Germans, all Christians, followed his lead.
I agree with you that Hitler used religion as a power tool to achieve his goals. But I at least do not like to judging history using ONLY 20/20 perfect hindsight.

What we often forget is that many Germans did not support Hitler and the Nazis at the start of the 1930s. Keep in mind that in the 1932 presidential election, Hitler received only 30.1 percent of the national vote. In the subsequent run-off election, he received only 36.8 percent of the vote. It wasn’t until President Hindenburg appointed him as chancellor in 1933 that Hitler began consolidating power.

Among the major factors that motivated Germans to support Hitler during the 1930s was the tremendous economic crisis known as the Great Depression, which had struck Germany as hard as it had the United States and other parts of the world. What did many Germans do in response to the Great Depression? They did the same thing that many Americans did — they looked for a strong leader to get them out of the economic crisis.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18061.htm

I don't think Islam as a religion should be demonized, just like I don't believe Christianity as a religion should be demonized. Hence, I don't believe the concept of Muslim terrorists or Christian terrorists. I believe there is a connection between Fundamentalism and Terrorism. Fundamentalists do not represent the religion as a whole. Fairness is fairness.

 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Google this

Priest Barracks of Dachau Concentration Camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest...entration_Camp
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The Roman Catholic Church formally apologized Monday for failing to take more decisive action in challenging the Nazi regime during World War II to stop the extermination of more than 6 million Jews.

But in a long-awaited document on the church's role in the Holocaust, the Vatican defended Pope Pius XII, who headed the church during the war, from accusations that he turned a blind eye to the systematic killing of Jews. Some critics say Pius was motivated by church religious prejudices dating from the death of Jesus Christ.
Vatican Gives Formal Apology for Inaction During Holocaust - The Tech
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Hitler claimed to be Catholic to his bitter end.
Not exactly.

Again from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...f_Adolf_Hitler

In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but retained some respect for the organisational power of the Church, and though he was prepared to delay clashes out of political considerations, according to Kershaw, Bullock, Evans, Fest, Phayer, Shirer and others, he eventually hoped to eradicate Christianity in Germany.

Persecution of the Churches
In effort to counter the strength and influence of spiritual resistance, Nazi security services monitored clergy very closely. Priests were frequently denounced, arrested and sent to concentration camps.

In early 1937 he was declaring that 'Christianity was ripe for destruction', and that the Churches must yield to the "primacy of the state", railing against any compromise with "the most horrible institution imaginable".

Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism in Germany.

Plans to destroy Christianity
Bullock wrote that, "once the war was over, [Hitler] promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches". Phayer wrote that "By the latter part of the decade of the thirties church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the overwhelming majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal had to be a long-term rather than a short-term Nazi objective.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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At this point, I think we can just agree to disagree. I don't believe in the concept of a bad religion, I believe the concept of evil people. So there.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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At this point, I think we can just agree to disagree. I don't believe in the concept of a bad religion, I believe the concept of evil people. So there.
Fair enough. We can agree that all religions have produced extremists who perpetrated violence in the name of that religion.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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simply because Hitler was a selected leader whose ideology was unknown at the very beginning. Many SS soldiers were not aware of the fact death camp even existed.
Their lives depended on feigning ignorance.

There was not an adult in Western Europe who was unaware that Jews were being rounded up, stripped of all human rights, shipped by train to camps never to return. Tens of thousands of Christian civilians rationalized looting the homes and businesses of Jews who had been rounded up and shipped off to a death camp.

Denmark was he only country in Western Europe who declined to round up the Jewish population and instead protected them. And when it got dicey, the Swedes accepted fleeing Jews.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Other accounts say the Pope didn't excommunicate him because he feared that Hitler would go back to Germany and start killing all the Catholics.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Not exactly.

Again from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...f_Adolf_Hitler

In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but retained some respect for the organisational power of the Church, and though he was prepared to delay clashes out of political considerations, according to Kershaw, Bullock, Evans, Fest, Phayer, Shirer and others, he eventually hoped to eradicate Christianity in Germany.

Persecution of the Churches
In effort to counter the strength and influence of spiritual resistance, Nazi security services monitored clergy very closely. Priests were frequently denounced, arrested and sent to concentration camps.

In early 1937 he was declaring that 'Christianity was ripe for destruction', and that the Churches must yield to the "primacy of the state", railing against any compromise with "the most horrible institution imaginable".

Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism in Germany.

Plans to destroy Christianity
Bullock wrote that, "once the war was over, [Hitler] promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches". Phayer wrote that "By the latter part of the decade of the thirties church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the overwhelming majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal had to be a long-term rather than a short-term Nazi objective.

Exactly when did the Catholic church deny access to the sacraments to Hitler himself, or to the many, many other Nazi leaders of the Third Reich who claimed to be Catholic?
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:17 PM
 
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Christians commit plenty of terrorism. A shocking amount in fact.

They just don't do it in the name of their God...but they claim that they're doing in with the APPROVAL of their God.
 
Old 12-07-2015, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Every abortion clinic shooter was a Christian and doing so based on their beliefs. Period



Opposition to corrupt and immoral government is always lead by Christians.


Non-Christians may oppose an evil regime, but it is highly unlikely they will act since they lack religious faith and the courage that necessarily comes with it.


"By 1942, Hans and Sophie would no longer be counted among those supporting Hitler and his regime. The siblings took notice of how their Christian faith and moral convictions were not in line with the goals of National Socialism. Hans became convinced that he needed to do something against the Nazis. In 1942, Hans was called to the Eastern Front where he and other medicine students would experience the inhumanity of war for three months. He is also said to have been extremely concerned by the fate of deported Jews."

Sophie, Hans Scholl remain symbols of resistance | Germany | DW.COM | 18.02.2013




Most Christians, and others who oppose the barbaric practice of abortion, see the futility of shooting up a clinic.


Still, some, perhaps loosely connected to the world the rest of us occupy, may not see their desperate actions as counterproductive...so what?


It doesn`t mean they are wrong about abortion just because they have settled on an unwise means of resistance.
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