Why Are There No Christian Terrorists (Taliban, crimes, bias, claims)

[LS Jaun]

Originally Posted by Enigma777

And we all know how violent potheads are.

Let's see, was it the vehement anti-government, anti-Obama, anti-womens' health centers promoted by the killer that was his motivation for multiple homicides? Uh--no. It was pot. Seriously??

Most potheads barely have the energy to go out, never mind accumulate an arsenal and attack and murder people.

Well Obama was a pot head and look where that got him

"Long before he took briefings from the Joint Chiefs, the prez was a joint-loving member of a high-school dope-smoking club who tooled around Hawaii in a hippie VW van dubbed the “Choomwagon”"

Obama was a Hawaii pothead, biography reveals | New York Post

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by jojajn

Interesting. Here are some statements Hitler made:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

This has been beat like a dead horse here already. Short memories.
Hitler's statements can't be cherry-picked. He made just as many statements against the church, including wanting it gone.
Read up on non-biased sites (which yours wasn't) on historians' (with no agendas) consensus: he used the church for political gain only and was likely an agnostic, who dabbled in the occult.

[jojajn]

Who wrote these?

“First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.”
“Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed.”
“Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them.”
Jews, he wrote, are “poisonous envenomed worms.”
Jewish rabbis, he wrote, should be “forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.”
Jews, he wrote, should be “tossed out” of Germany “by the seat of their pants…ejected forever from this country.”
Calling for the murder of all Jews, he wrote: “We are at fault in not slaying them.”
“Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested.”


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[jojajn]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

This has been beat like a dead horse here already. Short memories.
Hitler's statements can't be cherry-picked. He made just as many statements against the church, including wanting it gone.
Read up on non-biased sites (which yours wasn't) on historians' (with no agendas) consensus: he used the church for political gain only and was likely an agnostic, who dabbled in the occult.

There is cherry-picking going on alright.

Except you don't show the cherries you picked.

I used Hitler's own words from his speeches.

[sxrckr]

Why not discuss actual Christian terrorist, like Eric Rudolph?
Instead of claiming non-Christian terrorists are Christians?
What's the problem that you have to reach and embellish? Rudolph didn't kill enough people?
How desperate and sad.

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

Why not discuss actual Christian terrorist, like Eric Rudolph?
Instead of claiming non-Christian terrorists are Christians?
What's the problem that you have to reach and embellish? Rudolph didn't kill enough people?
How desperate and sad.

I call a spade a spade.

[LS Jaun]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

This has been beat like a dead horse here already. Short memories.
Hitler's statements can't be cherry-picked. He made just as many statements against the church, including wanting it gone.
Read up on non-biased sites (which yours wasn't) on historians' (with no agendas) consensus: he used the church for political gain only and was likely an agnostic, who dabbled in the occult.

The Leftists need to treat all Religions as if they are equivalent in threat is greater than objectivity. It doesn't matter if Islam has the highest # of suicide bombers in the world by an order of magnitude, or if Islamic Republics are all 3rd world back AZ countries, or if 25% of all Muslim women have gone through Genital mutilation, it must be the Wests fault, and specifically the US.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by jojajn

There is cherry-picking going on alright.

Except you don't show the cherries you picked.

Hitler used religion as propaganda to sway the people.

Use real history sites to get your info.

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

Hitler used religion as propaganda to sway the people.

Use real history sites to get your info.

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

“I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.”

[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”

[Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a
political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on
his personal Christian feelings. Published in “My New Order”, quoted
in Freethought Today April 1990]

“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

“What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the
fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
assigned to it by the Creator.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]

“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
practical existence of a religious belief.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

“And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove
those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]

“Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the
enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

Hitler quotes

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by jojajn

There is cherry-picking going on alright.

Except you don't show the cherries you picked.

I used Hitler's own words from his speeches.

Do you know what cherry-picked means?
I could just as easily cherry-pick words from his writings where he says almost the exact opposite. But I won't. Instead:

Religious views of Adolph Hitler
From the end of the summary:
Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity—indeed his relationship to religion in general—was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".