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Old 12-11-2015, 05:15 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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You insist on missing the point.

Sorry, can't help you there.
on the contrary,

You want to maintain that (1) race is not socially constructed: since race is determined by skin color and physical features, all of which is not socially constructed, and (2) racism is socially constructed.

Yet, as I and (Ralp_Kirk and Aredhel) have collectively explained: The inception of race presupposed that human populations can be divided into homogenous groups. That itself, presupposed that there were inherent differences between these groups, which necessitated ideas and associations within and between these groups.

And yet, there are no groups that are genetically homogeneous within and heterogeneous between. So, race being a classification of human population differences is an idea that is not supported by genetic studies.

Therefore you see that race is a social construct. Furthermore, you can see that racism began with the inception of race, similar to how time began with space.

And just to clarify, your stance on skin color and nose size etc, being the basis for racial classification does not invalidate race as a social construct because those differences were perceived on the basis that they were characteristics of homogenous exclusive groups. Which again, is genetically incorrect.

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Old 12-11-2015, 05:26 PM
 
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on the contrary,

You want to maintain that (1) race is not socially constructed: since race is determined by skin color and physical features, all of which is not socially constructed, and (2) racism is socially constructed.

Yet, as I and (Ralp_Kirk and Aredhel) have collectively explained: The inception of race presupposed that human populations can be divided into homogenous groups. That itself, presupposed that there were inherent differences between these groups, which necessitated ideas and associations within and between these groups.

And yet, there are no groups that are genetically homogeneous within and heterogeneous between. So, race being a classification of human population differences is an idea that is not supported by genetic studies.

Therefore you see that race is a social construct. Furthermore, you can see that racism began with the inception of race, similar to how time began with space.

And just to clarify, your stance on skin color and nose size etc, being the basis for racial classification does not invalidate race as a social construct because those differences were perceived on the basis that they were characteristics of homogenous exclusive groups. Which again, is genetically incorrect.

That's right. Your family doesn't exist. You're just as genetically related to your boss as you are to your dad.

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Old 12-11-2015, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Big government doesn't work no matter which side is doing it.
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Old 12-11-2015, 05:44 PM
 
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Big government doesn't work no matter which side is doing it.
Define "Big government."
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:28 PM
 
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That's right. Your family doesn't exist. You're just as genetically related to your boss as you are to your dad.

This is progress....
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Since Fst among human populations on a world scale is reliably 10 to 15%, kinship between two individuals of the same human population is equivalent to kinship between grandparent and grandchild or between half siblings.
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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Big government doesn't work no matter which side is doing it.
Yes, define "big government"
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:39 PM
 
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Why not a different population? You just proved yourself wrong. Lol
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Old 12-11-2015, 10:53 PM
 
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Why not a different population? You just proved yourself wrong. Lol
Make no mistake, it covers for different populations too. 6% variation amongst populations translates into kinship equivalent to that of great grandparent and grandchild, while 15% translates into grandparent and grandchild. - genetic similarity is real. Lol

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Old 12-12-2015, 04:45 AM
 
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on the contrary,

You want to maintain that (1) race is not socially constructed: since race is determined by skin color and physical features, all of which is not socially constructed, and (2) racism is socially constructed.

Yet, as I and (Ralp_Kirk and Aredhel) have collectively explained: The inception of race presupposed that human populations can be divided into homogenous groups. That itself, presupposed that there were inherent differences between these groups, which necessitated ideas and associations within and between these groups.

And yet, there are no groups that are genetically homogeneous within and heterogeneous between. So, race being a classification of human population differences is an idea that is not supported by genetic studies.

Therefore you see that race is a social construct. Furthermore, you can see that racism began with the inception of race, similar to how time began with space.

And just to clarify, your stance on skin color and nose size etc, being the basis for racial classification does not invalidate race as a social construct because those differences were perceived on the basis that they were characteristics of homogenous exclusive groups. Which again, is genetically incorrect.
Your argument fails...I'm sorry to say....because it is the same as saying that everything is made of atoms, and all atoms have electrons, neutrons and protons, and therefore everything is the same, and all the differences we perceive in things that are made of atoms are "socially constructed."

Just substitute "genes" for "atoms."
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:46 AM
 
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That's right. Your family doesn't exist. You're just as genetically related to your boss as you are to your dad.

LOL
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