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Old 12-25-2015, 03:01 PM
 
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Old 12-25-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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Well, feel free to buy yourself an island - but to the best of my knowledge, all community of human beings have rules, even in primitive tribes. And nowhere did God give you the right to have guns, nor most of the other rights you imply.
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Old 12-25-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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Every strawman is a strawman.

It is sad that you seem to place beverage companies (breweries, I suppose) on the same footing as those that grown the completely un-necessary luxury we eat, i.e. food. Can you think of a more-important use for water other than food (and don't mention drinking, because that consumes an infinitesimal percentage of water used.
BTW, I spend a lot of time in California, and am aware, acutely aware, of the drought.
No not every strawman is a strawman, it's just a strawman when it's something you don't agree with. and why would you suppose i'm talking about brewing companies? I'm actually talking about companies who bottle water for sale, and I'm aware that growing food is a necessary thing but if there is a drought like with what is going on in california than perhaps they need to make do with little otherwise their won't be any water for anyone including the farms.
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Old 12-25-2015, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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There are always other providers, they may not be convenient, but you do not have the right to convenience.

I happen to live in a rural area, there are two stores within 150 miles of me. How much do you want to bet that people who go there are on their best behavior when they go? How much do you want to bet if someone came in laying down the "law" demanding service they'd get the bums rush and wind up getting everything they need from Fairbanks, and never being able to pick up emergency supplies at the local stores?

Good rule of thumb is to live by Wheatons Law.
And you do not have the right to discriminate. If someone went into one of these stores causing trouble and therefore got banned I'd agree with you. But to discriminate on the basis of any of the protected classes is illegal and these store owners would find themselves in the middle of a lawsuit.
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Old 12-25-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You don't even know what a strawman is, do you.

A strawman is a presentation of a false position supposedly held by your opponent, which is then easy to defeat in debate.

You asserted that people want no laws whatsoever, which nobody asserts. You made that up yourself in the CLASSIC Strawman manner. Sign of a very weak and uninformed debator. Tactic of last resort, so to speak.
Hopefully, you can do better.
I know quite well what a "strawman" argument is. You declared the post I was referring to as a "strawman" because it was something you had no argument against so you labeled it as such. Common tactic of those who have weak arguments. Instead of labeling every post "strawman" as you've been doing here, why don't you try refuting the claims if you can.
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Old 12-25-2015, 04:36 PM
 
Location: MS
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Well, feel free to buy yourself an island - but to the best of my knowledge, all community of human beings have rules, even in primitive tribes. And nowhere did God give you the right to have guns, nor most of the other rights you imply.
I want the majority of the laws enforced upon me to legislated at the local level. That way there is recourse if I and/or others don't like them. The US was never designed to be micromanaged from a single location.
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Old 12-25-2015, 06:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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I know quite well what a "strawman" argument is. You declared the post I was referring to as a "strawman" because it was something you had no argument against so you labeled it as such. Common tactic of those who have weak arguments. Instead of labeling every post "strawman" as you've been doing here, why don't you try refuting the claims if you can.
You're lost - completely lost. One doesn't agree or disagree with a strawman - one points them out as the lie they are. They are a mischaracterization of your opponents position.

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Old 12-25-2015, 07:24 PM
 
Location: USA
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No not every strawman is a strawman, it's just a strawman when it's something you don't agree with. and why would you suppose i'm talking about brewing companies? I'm actually talking about companies who bottle water for sale, and I'm aware that growing food is a necessary thing but if there is a drought like with what is going on in california than perhaps they need to make do with little otherwise their won't be any water for anyone including the farms.
Now you're not making sense. A Strawman is always a strawman because it is a lie about your opponents position.

So you object to people using water even to drink???? Amazing - absolutely amazing. Should we save it for the non-humans only?

Oh, yes, full moon last night - I got it!!!!!
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Old 12-25-2015, 07:29 PM
 
Location: USA
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Well, feel free to buy yourself an island - but to the best of my knowledge, all community of human beings have rules, even in primitive tribes. And nowhere did God give you the right to have guns, nor most of the other rights you imply.
Is that what we are talking about - mere "rules". Here's another Strawman.

NO, we are not talking about society having rules. We are talking about the usurpation of fundamental rights by runaway government that is following the same path to tyranny that most-it-not-all before have follow. Disarm the population.

If they were coming to take away NPR or CNN or MSNBC, I bet you'd be screaming bloody murder, and I would join you on that, for the freedom of press is important as well.
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Old 12-25-2015, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You're lost - completely lost. One doesn't agree or disagree with a strawman - one points them out as the lie they are. They are a mischaracterization of your opponents position.
I'm "lost" because you want me to be. You don't have the first clue in how to have an effective argument.
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