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Old 05-29-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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My mother in law was a big Dis-believer that her rights were restricted and babbled about it for a decade until her husband died. She had some life insurance that we invested for her into some income properties to support her.
One of the tenants tried to burn the house down so she had to get a permit to rebuild the house. They wouldnt let her do what she wanted and told her that she had to go and complain to the city council. They gave her 60 seconds to present her case and when she went over it they had her thrown out. SO she placed a sign on the front yard complaining about the city council in which the city removed the sign then sent her a find for $500 which she refused to pay and ended up in jail. There is much more to this story involving fines and restrictions but I just dont have the time to write about it.
Today She is a complete believer in just how much her rights are restricted these days.
And of course none of that would have happened to her had she only purchased a firearm?

Remember the title of the thread? It's somehow relevant.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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So says a typical member of the fearful.
The question is whether wanting the ability to defend against any potential violator of rights is being fearful, or if trusting that the government will never be that violator is being naive.

History makes me think it's the latter, as there are plenty of well-known examples of it.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The question is whether wanting the ability to defend against any potential violator of rights is being fearful, or if trusting that the government will never be that violator is being naive.

History makes me think it's the latter, as there are plenty of well-known examples of it.
Also, can the government do as good of a job of defending your life and property as you could do for yourself?

This is what I do for a living and the answer is a resounding "NO".

The cops do not know the parameters of your property, how many entry points you have, who should be there/who shouldn't, etc.

Plus not to mention when seconds count the cops will be there in minutes.

Many times local ordinances forbid measures that would help secure a private property from the bad guys. Not to bore everyone with me talking shop but landscaping, lighting, and even house color can help protect you from intruders. First you have to check with Big Brother to see what measures you can implement though.
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Old 05-29-2016, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Also, can the government do as good of a job of defending your life and property as you could do for yourself?

This is what I do for a living and the answer is a resounding "NO".

The cops do not know the parameters of your property, how many entry points you have, who should be there/who shouldn't, etc.

Plus not to mention when seconds count the cops will be there in minutes.

Many times local ordinances forbid measures that would help secure a private property from the bad guys. Not to bore everyone with me talking shop but landscaping, lighting, and even house color can help protect you from intruders. First you have to check with Big Brother to see what measures you can implement though.
And even if you have someone who can't defend themselves for whatever reason, it's still much better to arrange for someone they know or trust to help protect them.
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Old 05-29-2016, 05:09 PM
 
Location: louisville
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So says a typical member of the fearful.
I fear nothing. I laugh at most
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Old 05-29-2016, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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And even if you have someone who can't defend themselves for whatever reason, it's still much better to arrange for someone they know or trust to help protect them.
Part of my job is educating my clients on what they need to do to protect themselves from the police/litigation..not just intruders.

The oldest part-owner in my business always says that part of the job has become increasingly important over the years. It was almost a non-issue when he started.

Sad really.
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Old 05-29-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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And of course none of that would have happened to her had she only purchased a firearm?

Remember the title of the thread? It's somehow relevant.
Of course it wouldnt have happened. This was in Illinois. They would have killed her if she walked into the city meeting with a firearm.
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Old 05-29-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Part of my job is educating my clients on what they need to do to protect themselves from the police/litigation..not just intruders.

The oldest part-owner in my business always says that part of the job has become increasingly important over the years. It was almost a non-issue when he started.

Sad really.
It is sad. I still think your job sounds cool. Very AnCap haha

Unrelated, but my job is dealing with shipping/transportation out of a warehouse in Rancho Cucamonga...so close-ish to you if I remember correctly.
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Old 05-29-2016, 07:10 PM
 
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I fear nothing. I laugh at most
Yep, that's readily apparent alrighty.
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Old 05-29-2016, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It is sad. I still think your job sounds cool. Very AnCap haha

Unrelated, but my job is dealing with shipping/transportation out of a warehouse in Rancho Cucamonga...so close-ish to you if I remember correctly.
It is an-capish!

Though paying taxes probably negates any positives I may accomplish via my work.
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