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Old 12-15-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It's all about the money and politics. The AGW alarmists want to increase government control over the people and everyone involved wants to tap into the trillions of dollars on the table. Meanwhile, there will be more graft, fraud and hot air than real action.
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The “historic” agreement just concluded in Paris was supposed to be the humanity's last chance to save the world from catastrophic warming. If that's the case, then the world is surely doomed. Notwithstanding the giddy talk, not a single major polluter offered anything resembling an adequate plan to slash emissions. In fact, literally every country gamed the process—demonstrating, yet again, the utter folly of trying to save the world by putting it on a collective energy diet.

But the good news is that once this "last chance" fails—and fail it will—the world will still have plenty of time to explore workable solutions.

Every major climate change initiative to date has gone up in smoke. The 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which sought to cut emissions 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012, was doomed from the start. India and China, even then among the world's top five polluters, refused to even participate. Meanwhile, President Bill Clinton supported the treaty, but he didn't have a prayer of getting it past the U.S. Congress, so he didn't even try. Canada ratified the deal but blew its target cuts by 25 percent and eventually quit. Japan and New Zealand similarly faced a compliance gap. Europe met its target but not because its cap-and-trade program was a roaring success, as environmentalists would have you believe. Rather, it was because the industrial emissions of former Soviet bloc countries were so awful in 1990 that minor access to better Western technology produced major gains. Also, Europe's 2007 recession helped!

https://reason.com/archives/2015/12/...-wont-fix-glob
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Old 01-24-2016, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Houston
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But the good news is that once this "last chance" fails—and fail it will—the world will still have plenty of time to explore workable solution.
You have an extensive history on this forum as an avid denier. Looks like you are finally admitting that pollution is a problem and action needs to be taken. Why the sudden turn around?
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Old 01-24-2016, 06:06 PM
 
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You have an extensive history on this forum as an avid denier. Looks like you are finally admitting that pollution is a problem and action needs to be taken. Why the sudden turn around?
Pollution is not climate change or AGW.

All climate change talks will inevitably fail.
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Old 01-25-2016, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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You have an extensive history on this forum as an avid denier. Looks like you are finally admitting that pollution is a problem and action needs to be taken. Why the sudden turn around?
I have always admitted that pollution is a problem. CO2 isn't pollution.
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Old 01-25-2016, 07:12 AM
 
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Anytime a right-winger uses the words "control, money, and power" or words similar to that in the same sentence, I tend to write it off as tinfoil hat
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Old 01-25-2016, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The real problem is population. America has been making strides for years on curbing green house gas emissions and we are continually trying to improve because we can.
If we look at developing countries that are just now raising the life standards of its people they are using fossil fuels to do so because they are cheap and they work.

We in the USA can continue to reduce our emissions but try telling that to a cash strapped struggling country trying to raise themselves to our standards. Wind, solar, hydro are expensive alternatives to setup and maintain and they don't supply the energy as well as fossil fuels at least not yet.
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Old 01-25-2016, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It's all about the money and politics. The AGW alarmists want to increase government control over the people and everyone involved wants to tap into the trillions of dollars on the table. Meanwhile, there will be more graft, fraud and hot air than real action.
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Recent research shows that a carbon tax does not harm the economy, businesses or consumers, and is effective at reducing emissions.

Around the world, nearly 40 nations, including the 28-member European Union, and many smaller jurisdictions are engaged in some form of carbon pricing. In this hemisphere, British Columbia, Quebec, California and nine Northeastern states have raised the cost of burning fossil fuels without damaging the economy. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/op...bon-works.html
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Old 01-26-2016, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Recent research shows that a carbon tax does not harm the economy, businesses or consumers, and is effective at reducing emissions.
BS. Pure BS. All taxes harm the economy.
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Old 01-26-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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BS. Pure BS. All taxes harm the economy.
Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story......Your government runs on taxes my friend. Here in BC we have had a revenue neutral carbon tax since 2008, and our economy has out paced the rest of Canada since then. We also have the lowest personal and business income taxes in Canada.
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story......Your government runs on taxes my friend. Here in BC we have had a revenue neutral carbon tax since 2008, and our economy has out paced the rest of Canada since then. We also have the lowest personal and business income taxes in Canada.
Never confuse your opinions with the facts. Government runs on taxes??? Duh.
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