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Green, this took place in the very early years of our nation. It wasn't just a few who joined the confederacy either. It was half the country. If they won, would the northern generals be traitors? It is a unique situation.
Bottom line, like it or not, it is our history. And many of those who have been honored were also known for contributions before the Civil War.
I don't care when this happened, period. Anything from the Confederacy does not deserve a place of honor. Lee was a traitor, period. Can it be refuted?
I don't care when this happened, period. Anything from the Confederacy does not deserve a place of honor. Lee was a traitor, period. Can it be refuted?
A traitor to whom exactly? We are a collection of sovereign states after all. Did he betray his state? Ultimately what he is is an American, and the monuments to soldiers of the confederacy are monuments to American dead.
A traitor to whom exactly? We are a collection of sovereign states after all. Did he betray his state? Ultimately what he is is an American, and the monuments to soldiers of the confederacy are monuments to American dead.
He is a traitor to the USA. he made an oath to the USA, and broke that oath to fight for an army waging war against the USA.
A traitor to whom exactly? We are a collection of sovereign states after all. Did he betray his state? Ultimately what he is is an American, and the monuments to soldiers of the confederacy are monuments to American dead.
I think that the Articles Of Confederation were very strongly on the side of sovereign states.
But I think the Constitution and Supreme Court decision erased much of the sovereign state concept in America.
I agree, but I also think that Lee had some admirable traits. Everything is not either/or.
Well, this is how I see it. Knowing what we know about the Confederate cause, there is not a good reason to name a street agter any Confederate generals.
I have a personal reason. He might have freed his slaves, but the side he fought for, the Confederacy wanted to maintain slavery. One can look at the Articles of Secession and see this. The drafted Confederate Constitution spelled out protecting the right to own slaves. Being the descendant of those said slaves, I cannot respect that cause, or anything related to the Confederate cause.
Well, this is how I see it. Knowing what we know about the Confederate cause, there is not a good reason to name a street agter any Confederate generals.
I have a personal reason. He might have freed his slaves, but the side he fought for, the Confederacy wanted to maintain slavery. One can look at the Articles of Secession and see this. The drafted Confederate Constitution spelled out protecting the right to own slaves. Being the descendant of those said slaves, I cannot respect that cause, or anything related to the Confederate cause.
And you're free to have that strict an opinion. But others can have different opinions, as well.
Did you not see the word "SOME" in there? Some means a few, not all. I don't think all southerners are proud of the confederacy. But I know for a fact some exist, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
Calling me an "ignorant yankee" doesn't change the fact that some southerners are proud of the confederacy and wish it didn't go away and are still bitter about the civil war.
I don't know what looking at a map has to do with anything...
I did not call you an ignorant yankee. I said the generalization was ignorant. Big difference.
And you're free to have that strict an opinion. But others can have different opinions, as well.
The reason the statues and monuments of the Confederacy exist in the first place is due to tyranny of the majority. They couldn't care less that descendants of slaves have to put up with these symbols of hatred and captivity on a daily basis.
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