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Old 12-26-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Originally Posted by carcrazy67 View Post
I must admit, I was perfectly happy with my healthcare prior to the implementation of Obamacare. Infact, most people I knew were. Certainly there were some issues, however they could have been solved by the private sector. Fact is there was never any "real" competition among providers.

Hold onto your wallets, there are more increases coming in the very near future.
This is true because we have broken a very basic economic model. For most products like shoes, the consumer pays the entire price for their own shoes. That encourages them to shop for the best deal that meets their needs. Producers price their products to optimize revenue and profit. So the free market eventually strikes a perfect balance. Bad producers go out of business, consumers get the product they want for a fair price and good producers get the revenue they want by producing good products.

That model works quite well until you get the government involved. Obamacare has totally destroyed this free market balance.
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Old 12-26-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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The GOP Congress could come up with any sort of alternative, but they won't. They know Obamcare is better than un-Christian "let them get sick and die" system we had before.
What a crock of crap....who has been in charge of congress, by the years? Congress (both sides) had plenty of chances to do what they wanted, oh and guess what, hillarycare went where?
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Old 12-26-2015, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The GOP Congress could come up with any sort of alternative, but they won't. They know Obamcare is better than un-Christian "let them get sick and die" system we had before.
You really should have read before you posted that lie. It's quite easy.


Forbes Welcome
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Old 12-26-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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You really should have read before you posted that lie. It's quite easy.


Forbes Welcome

Funny thing about MMs posting, still not everyone has insurance....so I guess people are still dying, on obamas plan....

Just in case people have forgotten:

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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law."
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Old 12-26-2015, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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Obama knew exactly what would happen when he had Big Health & Big Insurance devise Obamacare:

1. Big Business profits continue to skyrocket, with an additional trillion on top of already-absurd profits, which the Robber Baron CEOs and his handful of cronies will appropriate 99.9% of (making sure the little guy with stocks in his retirement plan can't even get that tiny benefit).

2. The American people pay far more money for less coverage.

3. The bureaucracy of Big Health and Big Government grow even more, so that everything regarding health care and prescriptions is even more of a stressful nightmare than it was before--and the cost of said bureaucracies must of course skyrocket also.

4. The few remaining taxpayers lose even more of their paychecks to pay for premium subsidies and bigger bureaucracies, and the national debt increases even more--which, in Obama-world, means the costs simply "disappear" and no longer exist.

5. Naturally, not a single one of the problems with our health care and insurance system was fixed (or addressed)--no tort liability reform, no minimization of useless middlemen, no actual reform or improvement.

Just like Obama wanted--America gets scr**ed again!
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Old 12-26-2015, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Funny thing about MMs posting, still not everyone has insurance....so I guess people are still dying, on obamas plan....

Just in case people have forgotten:
"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law."
Yes, when a liar talks we should never be surprised that he's telling a lie.
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Old 12-26-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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In my zip code, minimum plan for family of 4 is $8500 a year.


A plan that doesn't kill you with deductibles more like $15k.
Incredible!

Who exactly is supposed to afford these premiums. PLUS the $$$ it cost on top if you actually use it for anything.[/quote]

So, either way, you're screwed. For most people, that leave very little left for other expenses. Obamcare is literally putting people in the "poor house."
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Old 12-26-2015, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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Incredible!

Who exactly is supposed to afford these premiums. PLUS the $$$ it cost on top if you actually use it for anything.

So, either way, you're screwed. For most people, that leave very little left for other expenses. Obamcare is literally putting people in the "poor house."

Yep, ours just went up to $12,200 per year with a $12,000 deductible. I'm cancelling Monday morning. We'll have to take our chances without insurance...

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Old 12-26-2015, 04:47 PM
 
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This is true because we have broken a very basic economic model. For most products like shoes, the consumer pays the entire price for their own shoes. That encourages them to shop for the best deal that meets their needs. Producers price their products to optimize revenue and profit. So the free market eventually strikes a perfect balance. Bad producers go out of business, consumers get the product they want for a fair price and good producers get the revenue they want by producing good products.

That model works quite well until you get the government involved. Obamacare has totally destroyed this free market balance.
You are comparing healthcare to shoes???? Really?? Lets us first clarify something first. Free market only exists if there is a VOLUNTARY exchange of good and services between one person with another.

Lets us take your example of shoes. I see a pair of shoes I like, but hey are a little too expensive for my taste. I go to another shop for the same pair of shoes, and they are cheaper, but still to expensive for me. And I got to another shop, and still too expensive. The shoes are just too much....woe is me....how can I move on?


Quite simple actually, I just decide to not buy the shoes until they drop in price or I never buy them period because they are just too much. But you know the greatest part about need being able to buy those shoes I wanted?? I can live my life perfectly normal with out those shoes and in fact, in a month or two I will probably forget about it and move in. Life goes on.

Now let us take a look at this scenario when it come to healthcare. I am a healthy young 20 year old with out any family history of cancer or other diseases. I work every day and eat healthy. Suddenly, I start getting massive headaches and I start losing part of my vision. I go to the doctor who runs some tests and lo and behold, I have a tumor the size of a golf ball that is spreading. What are my options? Hospital A is charging 150K for for complete treatment while hospital B is charging 120K and hospital C is charging 110K . Well, I can't afford treatment so I go with out and I die. No, my life didn't continue, I died. In this scenario, I do not have a choice. I NEED treatment and I can not go with out it or I die. There is nothing voluntary about this transaction .

That is the biggest distinction between the economics of health care compared to just about every thing else is that I can do with out a car or TV or latest Ipod and still survive. It is not a necessity. And when it comes to necessities, even food and shelter is still in a separate category from health care. I could possibly learn to hunt and forage for my own food and I could even learn to build rudimentary shelter.

But under no circumstances, can I ever be self reliant in treating my own brain tumor nor can I live with out the treatment, literally. People need to start seeing the fact that medial care is a basic necessity, more than just about anything else. You can not do with out it and in many circumstances, you can not be self reliant and heal your self.

Point is, free markets will never resolve our health care issues in this country and many other first world countries realized this along time ago. I just don't see why this country can not realize the same thing.
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:00 PM
 
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I bought a new gun with the $2,500 Obamacare saved me a year.


Obama has mine accruing in a bank account set aside just for me until I'm ready to withdraw all of my wonderful savings...........right?
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