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Old 12-24-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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Why? One reason is because their economies would boom due to the numerous ancient Christian sites in the Middle East that would become tourist attractions, such as Paul's home church in Antioch, Syria. Look at how many travel to Bethlehem in the West Bank.

Most Muslims do not even really believe their own religion. Islam is derived from the Jewish Old Testament Bible, only in their version, Ismael is the chosen line instead of Jacob. They retain things such as stoning women for adultery and add a few more goodies like the 39 virgins for martyrs. Do they really believe this stuff? Most Muslims are just born into the faith, and fear ostracism if they venture outside it. If they are secular Muslims, they may as well be secular Christians, and reap the benefits, not only economically, but they will not have to experience the joy of becoming a refugee because a Shia or Sunni is wanting to cut your head off.
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Old 12-24-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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That fear would be what would keep Tourists out also.
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Old 12-25-2015, 08:00 PM
 
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Why? One reason is because their economies would boom due to the numerous ancient Christian sites in the Middle East that would become tourist attractions, such as Paul's home church in Antioch, Syria. Look at how many travel to Bethlehem in the West Bank.

Most Muslims do not even really believe their own religion. Islam is derived from the Jewish Old Testament Bible, only in their version, Ismael is the chosen line instead of Jacob. They retain things such as stoning women for adultery and add a few more goodies like the 39 virgins for martyrs. Do they really believe this stuff? Most Muslims are just born into the faith, and fear ostracism if they venture outside it. If they are secular Muslims, they may as well be secular Christians, and reap the benefits, not only economically, but they will not have to experience the joy of becoming a refugee because a Shia or Sunni is wanting to cut your head off.
I believe you are mistaken if you think having a completely free election in a Muslim country could result in the election of a Christian president. For one thing, the constitution of many Muslim nations requires that the head of state be a Muslim. Virtually all European countries, as well as the United States and Canada, have completely free elections. What are the chances of a Muslim being elected as head of state or government in any of those countries?

It is hardly likely that any country's economy would boom on the basis of Christian pilgrims or visitors. Christians freely visit Israel to visit Jerusalem, Nazareth, and Bethlehem, yet their visits are hardly the backbone of the Israeli economy.
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Old 12-25-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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Most Muslims do not even really believe their own religion. Islam is derived from the Jewish Old Testament Bible . . . . . Do they really believe this stuff? Most Muslims are just born into the faith, and fear ostracism if they venture outside it.
Pot . . . kettle . . . .

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Old 12-25-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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First of all, the 'Virgins for Maryrs' thing is not a widely help Islamic belief. It's not in the Koran, which is the primary source of Islamic thought. The concept of virgins as a rewards for maryrs in the afterlife is sited in a Hadith, which if you aren't familiar, is a saying of the prophet Muhammad. These sayings vary in reliability, and many Muslims only accept some of them as being potentially valid. Even more conservative Muslims don't necessarily believe all Hadiths are valid.

Be that as it may, I do not believe Muslims country's could elect a Christian president. Here's why: we wouldn't elect a Muslim. Granted, when people say 'Muslim country,' they usually think the worst ones like Saudi Arabia (a trusted ally because $$$) or Iran. Country's like Turkey or Jordan, which are reasonably accepting of Christians in general, don't really come to mind. But even they would doubtfully elect a Christian president for the same reason we wouldn't elect a Muslim. That person wouldn't be like 'us.' A huge percentage of Americans say they wouldn't vote for a non-Christian president. Bernie Sanders is the only non-Christian president running, and he's a secular Jew, which is about the only other religion that even has a shot, besides maybe an agnostic who doesn't really talk about their religion.
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Old 12-26-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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First of all, the 'Virgins for Maryrs' thing is not a widely help Islamic belief. It's not in the Koran, which is the primary source of Islamic thought. The concept of virgins as a rewards for maryrs in the afterlife is sited in a Hadith, which if you aren't familiar, is a saying of the prophet Muhammad. These sayings vary in reliability, and many Muslims only accept some of them as being potentially valid. Even more conservative Muslims don't necessarily believe all Hadiths are valid.

Be that as it may, I do not believe Muslims country's could elect a Christian president. Here's why: we wouldn't elect a Muslim. Granted, when people say 'Muslim country,' they usually think the worst ones like Saudi Arabia (a trusted ally because $$$) or Iran. Country's like Turkey or Jordan, which are reasonably accepting of Christians in general, don't really come to mind. But even they would doubtfully elect a Christian president for the same reason we wouldn't elect a Muslim. That person wouldn't be like 'us.' A huge percentage of Americans say they wouldn't vote for a non-Christian president. Bernie Sanders is the only non-Christian president running, and he's a secular Jew, which is about the only other religion that even has a shot, besides maybe an agnostic who doesn't really talk about their religion.
This kind of explains where these nations were and where they are going........highly unlikely they will be voting for a Christian in the near future.
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Old 12-26-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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It's another "what if" scenario, which is the reason we have so many problems now. Christians are fleeing these areas because they want to keep their heads. There are no elections per se. So the notion of a Christian being elected is about as likely as them electing a woman.


Not gonna happen
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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First of all, the 'Virgins for Maryrs' thing is not a widely help Islamic belief. It's not in the Koran, which is the primary source of Islamic thought. The concept of virgins as a rewards for maryrs in the afterlife is sited in a Hadith, which if you aren't familiar, is a saying of the prophet Muhammad. These sayings vary in reliability, and many Muslims only accept some of them as being potentially valid. Even more conservative Muslims don't necessarily believe all Hadiths are valid.

Be that as it may, I do not believe Muslims country's could elect a Christian president. Here's why: we wouldn't elect a Muslim. Granted, when people say 'Muslim country,' they usually think the worst ones like Saudi Arabia (a trusted ally because $$$) or Iran. Country's like Turkey or Jordan, which are reasonably accepting of Christians in general, don't really come to mind. But even they would doubtfully elect a Christian president for the same reason we wouldn't elect a Muslim. That person wouldn't be like 'us.' A huge percentage of Americans say they wouldn't vote for a non-Christian president. Bernie Sanders is the only non-Christian president running, and he's a secular Jew, which is about the only other religion that even has a shot, besides maybe an agnostic who doesn't really talk about their religion.
The leader of the Muslim faith, Muhammad, advocates for the killing of infidels. The leader of the Christian faith, Jesus, advocates loving your enemy and repaying evil with good. If the actions of the true believers reflect the teachings of their leaders, then Muslims killing non-Muslims and Muslims would be acceptable and desirable to their leader, as long as they are infidels. But this action would be not be acceptable to Jesus.
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