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View Poll Results: is "white privilege" an excuse for black failure?
yes 204 71.58%
no 81 28.42%
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Old 12-30-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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By you attempting to focus on individuals.....you are employing the fallacy of composition to hide the truth of what your reasoning says about the whole.
You are refusing to focus on individuals because if you did that would mean admitting that individuals are responsible for themselves and their circumstances and you wouldn't be able to blame an amorphous "white privilege".

 
Old 12-30-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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Nope, if you want to be judged individually be an individual. Don't speak Ebonics, wear your pants around your ankles or tattoo your face and neck. Doing that is following the herd and not being an individual.

No one says that when there is a hillbilly accent (like the honey boo clan) or a meth lab and heron addicts in rural poor white neighborhoods in the trailer parks so please....Just like you can stereotype black people, every group of people can be stereotyped and it sounds crazy as heck.
 
Old 12-30-2015, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's not ignorant, that's real life.

What's ignorant is pretending to believe that humans don't have billions of years of defense mechanisms that have shaped human behavior. It's a survival mechanism to avoid a certain tribe based on the liklihood of violence. Stereotyping, whether conscious or not, is a natural part of human behavior.

And it's not unreasonable to assume someone with one of those ridiculous names came from uneducated parents/lower socio-economic level. Apples don't fall far from the tree. If parents don't have the foresight not to handicap their child with a dumb name in the job market, what makes you think they raised their child to be someone who works hard and diligently? Sure, there are exceptions, but stereotypes exist for a reason, and that's OKAY.

Having a name like that is a CHOICE.
Yes, discrimination is a choice, you have to choose to discriminate. Which most discrimination is illegal in the US. Discriminating someone based on their name is pretty shallow, and poorly reflects on the person doing the discriminating.
 
Old 12-30-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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Like I said, you cannot get people who believe they are superior to accept the idea that they are really not

That cuts both ways. You'll never convince a less intelligent, less likable person that they are not equal or superior to everyone else no matter what scientific based evidence you use.


Have you ever considered it's not about superior and inferior but being different, and you're just not liked, wanted or needed for good reasons? Why can't people just go away and be equal or superior without white people supposedly 'holding them down' and leave white people the hell alone?
 
Old 12-30-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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Yes, discrimination is a choice, you have to choose to discriminate. Which most discrimination is illegal in the US. Discriminating someone based on their name is pretty shallow, and poorly reflects on the person doing the discriminating.

Not true. If someone doesn't want to adopt a European, white or American name, then it points to their anti-white, anti-American mentality and reflects poorly on them. They should stay away from white people since they want to be separate. If people actually thought those stupid names disadvantaged them, why do they use them?
 
Old 12-30-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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Like I said, you cannot get people who believe they are superior to accept the idea that they are really not, by suggesting that they had some sort of advantage/privilege which allowed them to get ahead of you.
How do you know? You already stated that it's impossible to tell how another race thinks. Your words.

Yet every single post you make here about "white privilege" you attempt to do just that. Because what you are really saying is that "Whitey is Racist". Nothing more, nothing less.

Well if this is what you believe, then you are going to have to learn to live with it, because the race that you are trying to demonize won't be making any accommodation for you.
 
Old 12-30-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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Here is the problem, though. The larger society believes that the poor are poor of their own making and that they lack something required to be successful. Hence, the larger society believes that no amount of investment will ever produce a positive return on investment and that such spending only artificially props up people who could not compete without being given a permanent hand. It's clear society does not invest because it sees the poor as not worthy of the investment.

No, the larger society does not believe that but it should. Why should it? Because we have over 50 years of spending billions and trillions and all kinds of legislation and schemes and taking from white society, and the same inevitable result. You can take the person out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the person.
 
Old 12-30-2015, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Wandering in the Dothraki sea
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Yes, discrimination is a choice, you have to choose to discriminate. Which most discrimination is illegal in the US. Discriminating someone based on their name is pretty shallow, and poorly reflects on the person doing the discriminating.
but it starts with doing it to yourself by giving your child a name like that. It would be the same thing if it were a equally-ridiculous non AA name. Bullies will be bullies. Life isn't fair. Get over it.
 
Old 12-30-2015, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Not true. If someone doesn't want to adopt a European, white or American name, then it points to their anti-white, anti-American mentality and reflects poorly on them. They should stay away from white people since they want to be separate. If people actually thought those stupid names disadvantaged them, why do they use them?

Actually it does reflect poorly on a person who would use that as a basis for judgement. And has little to do with non European names. Asian profiles don't get sent to the trash heap and their names are hardly European.

I think the moral of the story is why would anyone want to work with someone who would throw resumes in the garbage due to names? I would think working which such a person would be a nightmare. If you're black with an ethnic sounding name and you're denied due to your name, then you probably dodged a bullet.
 
Old 12-30-2015, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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but it starts with doing it to yourself by giving your child a name like that. It would be the same thing if it were a equally-ridiculous non AA name. Bullies will be bullies. Life isn't fair. Get over it.

Why should a person's name have anything to do with getting a job. That's ridiculous. And again I'm pretty sure most hiring managers don't do this. There are probably some who have and do, but.I can't imagine these are the best people in the world to work for
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