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Old 12-27-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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The main question for the "christian values" conservative is -- what would Jesus do? Expand medicaid or not?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us...-gop.html?_r=0
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Old 12-27-2015, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Republicans = modern-day Pharisees

Jesus was against pretty much everything they stand for.
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Old 12-27-2015, 03:38 PM
 
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The main question for the "christian values" conservative is -- what would Jesus do? Expand medicaid or not?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us...-gop.html?_r=0

lol....


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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law."
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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The main question for the "christian values" conservative is -- what would Jesus do? Expand medicaid or not?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us...-gop.html?_r=0
The governors in those red states know full well that they need to expand Medicaid to cover the thousands of their constituents who have fallen into the hole between the exchanges and un-expanded Medicaid, because not doing so is costing their states millions of dollars. The problem is the idiots those red states send to Congress, who see only politics and nothing more.

Even so, there have been a number of Republican governors who have done the smart thing anyway, and we will see more of that in the coming year.
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:10 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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The main question for the "christian values" conservative is -- what would Jesus do? Expand medicaid or not?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us...-gop.html?_r=0
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Republicans = modern-day Pharisees

Jesus was against pretty much everything they stand for.
Sure, because radical leftist, conservative-hating anti-Christians are experts on Jesus and can be counted on to tell the truth about Christians...
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:14 PM
 
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Sure, because radical leftist, conservative-hating anti-Christians are experts on Jesus and can be counted on to tell the truth about Christians...
Well, we've found out that we sure can't count on the fundamentalist Christians, who believe Jesus would be in the top 1% surrounded by a cache of guns and ammo, hoarding wealth while denying those less fortunate food or healthcare or even a living wage.
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Kentucky before ACA: 20.4% uninsured rate
Currently: 9%

Texas before ACA: 24%
Currently (no Medicaid expansion): 19%

ACA isn't failing, conservative principles are.
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:25 PM
 
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The governors in those red states know full well that they need to expand Medicaid to cover the thousands of their constituents who have fallen into the hole between the exchanges and un-expanded Medicaid, because not doing so is costing their states millions of dollars. The problem is the idiots those red states send to Congress, who see only politics and nothing more.
Who created that hole? It wasn't the idiots those red states sent to congress, they didn't write it, the people that wrote it were predominantly from the health insurance companies, and it comes as a surprise that more public financing is needed to provide the same levels of healthcare we were provided prior to the ACA?

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Even so, there have been a number of Republican governors who have done the smart thing anyway, and we will see more of that in the coming year.
Well the smart thing would be to not have the ACA in the first place. It requires the use of a for profit intermediary. If the US determined it needed universal healthcare, then how does health insurance figure into that? Health insurance is not health care. If the US determined it did not need universal healthcare, then how does health insurance figure into that?

In both instances health insurance is not a requirement, under the ACA it is a requirement. So who benefits, do service providers? Do consumers? Or does the middle-man?
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Old 12-27-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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Who created that hole? It wasn't the idiots those red states sent to congress, they didn't write it, the people that wrote it were predominantly from the health insurance companies, and it comes as a surprise that more public financing is needed to provide the same levels of healthcare we were provided prior to the ACA?
Yes, it was the idiots the red states sent to Congress who created the hole. There was no hole in the original legislation. It's Republicans in red states who decided they didn't want to cover the people who were supposed to be covered, purely for political reasons, and thus millions of Americans are going without any healthcare right now as a result.

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Well the smart thing would be to not have the ACA in the first place. It requires the use of a for profit intermediary. If the US determined it needed universal healthcare, then how does health insurance figure into that? Health insurance is not health care. If the US determined it did not need universal healthcare, then how does health insurance figure into that?

In both instances health insurance is not a requirement, under the ACA it is a requirement. So who benefits, do service providers? Do consumers? Or does the middle-man?
I'm all for universal healthcare or a public option. That's what most Democrats wanted, and still want. Had a few Republicans crossed over during the process we would have it right now, as they could have offset the Blue Dog Democrats who were blocking it, but not a single one would. Again, for purely political reasons.

Do you think a single Republican in Congress right now would ever cast a vote for universal healthcare?
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:11 PM
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The main question for the "christian values" conservative is -- what would Jesus do? Expand medicaid or not?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us...-gop.html?_r=0
Some of the things Jesus said his followers should do in His name:

"Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." -Matthew 10:8

Mentions nothing about Medicaid.
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