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Old 12-29-2015, 07:26 AM
 
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One example has to do with reasonable accomodation the other is a business owner refusing service.
If the business owner pointed to another baker who would accommodate, would you agree to business owners exercising their First Amendment Constitutional Right?
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:32 AM
 
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If the business owner pointed to another baker who would accommodate, would you agree to business owners exercising their First Amendment Constitutional Right?
The baker can accommodate their own beliefs by nor offering wedding cakes for sale. What they want to do is pick and choose who they will sell their cakes to. It would be like the muslim truck drivers saying that they will deliver alcohol to only this place but not to the other place.

If selling wedding cakes to all customers violates your religious beliefs then do not offer wedding cakes for sale in your shop.
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:36 AM
 
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The baker can accommodate their own beliefs by nor offering wedding cakes for sale. What they want to do is pick and choose who they will sell their cakes to. It would be like the muslim truck drivers saying that they will deliver alcohol to only this place but not to the other place.

If selling wedding cakes to all customers violates your religious beliefs then do not offer wedding cakes for sale in your shop.
Why would someone want a cake baked by someone who didn't agree with their relationship? Seems to me the cake would have bad juju to begin with. I actually had a friend bake my cake, not a bakery. Do gays have a hard time with alternatives?
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:40 AM
 
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By-standers should familiarize themselves with the 1st amendment of the bill of rights.

By all means!

Bible thumpers are well within their rights to expose their hypocrisy.
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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Go to any CVS or Walgreens, a Catholic Pharmacist has to sell birth control pills and condoms and a Morman and Muslim cashier has to sell beer and bacon. It is part of the job.

Don't be a baker, heck Waldbaums the supermarket chain that sadly went under recently was founded by Jewish immigrants had to bake Happy 100 Birthday Adolph Hitler Cakes when they were in business so what.


The Constitution should be more than toilet paper for statists is so what.


A Muslim or Jew shouldn't have to deal with pork.


If it were a ****ing food allergy instead of a religious matter the same state worshipping *** wipes would be demanding this person have an accommodation made for him.
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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No, a BUSINESS must follow all city stat and federal laws regarding operation of a business.

Business OWNER can not refuse service to a person based on race religion, sex, and sexual orientation in some states.

A business OWNER can not discriminate based on race, religion, sex or sexual orientation in some states in matters of employment. They must make reasonable accommodations for religious beliefs.

TWO different sets of laws, two different cases, two different outcomes.



So now state`s rights matter?
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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The baker can accommodate their own beliefs by nor offering wedding cakes for sale.
You're contradicting yourself. Why isn't a referral to a business that will provide the requested services a "reasonable accommodation?"
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:55 AM
 
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The baker can accommodate their own beliefs by nor offering wedding cakes for sale. What they want to do is pick and choose who they will sell their cakes to. It would be like the muslim truck drivers saying that they will deliver alcohol to only this place but not to the other place.

If selling wedding cakes to all customers violates your religious beliefs then do not offer wedding cakes for sale in your shop.
Why does it have to be all or nothing with your side? The business owner had no religious conflict with selling wedding cakes until someone came along and created a new scenario that DID violate their beliefs. So why should the business owner be punished? If a city passed a law paying rewards to people who go out and shoot family dogs, would you tell a gun shop owner who refuses to sell to dog killers that they should stop selling guns altogether?

By demanding that Christian business owners violate their religious beliefs to satisfy a gay customer, you are essentially force your ideology on others and that's wrong.

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Old 12-29-2015, 08:04 AM
 
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If the business owner pointed to another baker who would accommodate, would you agree to business owners exercising their First Amendment Constitutional Right?
That's not the way it works, finding a baker that will sell to them is not a solution. Business owners don't get to bring religion into the workplace and impact customers, possibly a different story for employees as is the case in question regarding Muslims.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:13 AM
 
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That's not the way it works, finding a baker that will sell to them is not a solution.
Seriously? I have a male friend who wears a size 14 shoe. Most shoe stores choose to not carry that size. When they have chosen to not provide that size, they refer my male friend to online shoe store websites that do.

Guess what? He doesn't feel discriminated against. It is absolutely the shoe store owners' right to carry and sell whichever size shoes they wish.
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