Christians must bake Wedding cakes and cater 'gay' weddings, but Muslims win right not to transport alcohol. (support, laws)
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Christian bakers will be more than happy to sell gay couples cookies, sweets, and other products in their store, they just don't want to sell them wedding cake because it is against their religion. Do I agree with them? Not necessarily. But do I want to ruin their businesses because of this? No.
I don't like to label people bigot because I think religious awareness is highly individual. Free market will decide their fate, let's face it, there are not many people who want to refuse businesses. These Christian bakers are in the minority. Why not let free market decide their fate, just let them be.
Many conflicts can be easily avoided if people can just leave each other alone. You don't want to give government more power to butt into your private businesses, in my humble opinion.
The free market doesn't always work so well, letting a business dictate who it sells to amounts to discrimination. This is just one case but it could be rather damaging depending on the alternatives.
The free market did decide their fate, the community stopped frequenting their establishment but I wouldn't want to depend on that in every instance. Some people use religion as an excuse for their bias I wonder if they are that correct in the rest of their lives or just using it to make a point.
An owner of a small bakery, etc., absolutely is an employee. They pay payroll taxes just like the rest of the employed.
Assuming you are correct are you making the point that an owner can refuse service based on religious grounds, where does religous accomodation come into play.
If a specific item is carried a business can't discrminate on who they sell that item to, if that item isn't carried then they don't have to.
Carried? Yes. And that hasn't been a problem. Anyone can go into any bakery and buy anything they want off the shelf / out of the case. Custom order? No. Just like many shoe stores can legally decline to custom order shoes they do not stock.
Most people don't really care what a vendor thinks about anything. If a vendor provides a service why should anyone care what they think about the person buying that service? I don't care what the butcher thinks about anything, I just go in to buy the meat that they sell. I don't care about the farmers opinion of the salad I am making, I just want to purchase the veggies he has for sale.
Personally I don't really like cake, so I am having cookies, cream puffs, cheese cake, and smores at my reception. And I didn't ask the cashier at the store her opinion of my wedding when I purchased those items.
Awesome! I got married 31 years ago, and SEVERAL bakeries balked at my request... a banana wedding cake with fudge filling instead of the traditional bland tasteless white cake with white icing. Several turned me down, and I just kept going until I found a bakery that would do it.
FWIW, all the wedding guests RAVED about my wedding cake, and not one morsel was left. The wedding guests ate it all, and several told me they wished they had done something similar at their own weddings.
Assuming you are correct are you making the point that an owner can refuse service based on religious grounds, where does religous accomodation come into play.
I am correct. The business owner pays FICA. And the reasonable accommodation comes into play when the owner refers a client to another bakery that may provide the service requested.
The free market doesn't always work so well, letting a business dictate who it sells to amounts to discrimination. This is just one case but it could be rather damaging depending on the alternatives.
The free market did decide their fate, the community stopped frequenting their establishment but I wouldn't want to depend on that in every instance. Some people use religion as an excuse for their bias I wonder if they are that correct in the rest of their lives or just using it to make a point.
well, with BBIIIIIIIIIIIG government and people like you (no offense), free market, OF COURSE, does not exist or does not work. bolded really doesn't matter, there are different types of people living in this world. Like I said, I don't agree with them, nor do I like them, but yes, I would want to leave them alone. I will NEVER ruin other people's businesses because I believe religious awareness is highly individual. Maybe you should consider giving people benefit of the doubt sometimes, not everybody uses religion as "excuse."
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