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Old 12-30-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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Statistically it is rather difficult to kill someone with a toy gun. Ralphie was only warned to not shoot his eye out. That example only works if you think of a BB gun as a toy, which I don't. They can be very useful tools, like any firearm, and tools aren't for being played with.
It was an airsoft gun which really is deemed a toy. It couldn't kill a paper tiger.
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Sitting in a park threatening?
Minimize much? Watch the video. This man sized boy was holding a toy gun, altered to appear like a real gun, point blank at children walking by. Yes, that is threatening.
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:38 PM
 
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I posted the same sentiment a few pages back. I'm 60 and spent many hours running in a public park with toy guns. Later I spent hours after high school playing with real guns (.22) . On one occasion the police pulled up to check on us boys and make sure we were ok. We waved. He waved. He drove off we went back to killing cans. California has changed for the worse since 1971.
How do you think that same incident would have unfolded if you had aimed the gun at the cop instead of giving him a reassuring wave?
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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This thread is not about the facts.

What do we notice in thread? Virtually every poster (if not every poster) justifying the killing of this 12 year old Black kid is white.
How do you know the race of posters?
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:47 PM
 
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They were obviously all very threatened. That explains the dozens of 911 calls. Oh wait; there was only one and the called mentioned it was probably a toy.
That was not relayed to the officers from dispatch.
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Old 12-30-2015, 06:55 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Just a few miles down Rt 71.

OBERLIN, OH – Three juveniles were arrested last week after officers in Oberlin found them carrying realistic-looking BB guns in public.

The Oberlin Police Department reports that the three were carrying the weapons and the officers did not know at the time that the guns were not real. It was only after the three were arrested that they found this out.

The officers are being commended for using their training, experience and verbal commands to safely stop the juveniles. The Oberlin Police Department is quoted on their Facebook page as saying, “This was obviously a dangerous situation that could have turned into a tragic incident. They deserve this recognition for a job well done.”


Oberlin police arrest juveniles carrying BB guns in public | fox8.com

This is the difference in well trained and mentally unstable.
Also the difference in having a starting pay of $62,585/year for your police officers, which is just greater than the maximum pay of $62,261/year for Cleveland police officers, and almost triple the $21,480 that Cleveland police officers start in academy at.

The most simple fix and effective fix to these issues is to dramatically increase police officer pay and dramatically increase training budgets. But since police departments will cost 3x-5x more per year to do that, it will never happen, and all the other proposals will continue to fail. (Possibly fail dramatically, since so many proposals include garnishing pensions which will lead to even worse candidates, not better.)
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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Also the difference in having a starting pay of $62,585/year for your police officers, which is just greater than the maximum pay of $62,261/year for Cleveland police officers, and almost triple the $21,480 that Cleveland police officers start in academy at.

The most simple fix and effective fix to these issues is to dramatically increase police officer pay and dramatically increase training budgets. But since police departments will cost 3x-5x more per year to do that, it will never happen, and all the other proposals will continue to fail. (Possibly fail dramatically, since so many proposals include garnishing pensions which will lead to even worse candidates, not better.)
I've noted many times that if we need to spend more for training I'm not against that, as long as officers are held to a higher standard.

The Independence police dept noted that no amount of training was going to help the officer in question here.
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Their own statements say the didn't "slowly" drive up so I have no desire to discuss this with someone willing to just make things up.
This is the information I am going by, where is the information you have because I have no desire to discuss this with someone willing to just make things up.
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"Officer Garmback was driving at speeds between 13 and 17 miles per hour. It appears that the officers were heading for the area of the swings, where the 'guy with the gun' was last reported being seen. However, the described subject they were looking for (Rice) was apparently spotted, not at the swings, but instead at the gazebo area, which is not far from the swings. It also appears that this presence at the gazebo was not expected, causing officer Garmback to apply the brakes suddenly and hard, skidding for 40 feet and 10 inches. This fact is relevant to an assessment of the tactical deployment decision of the vehicle stop being in close proximity to the identified subject of the 'guy with a gun' dispatch call. ...The vehicle stops position was not by choice, but by necessity."
W. Ken Katsaris
What experts say about four key moments of the Tamir Rice shooting | cleveland.com
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:13 PM
 
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Are you sure about that?

repair | The Pistol Place
Those aren't toys, those are real air pistols and if you roll up on someone carrying one of those today waving it around and threatening people you'll get shot just like Tamir did.
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:14 PM
 
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If you are not able to read the many links already provided I'm pretty sure another one is going to do no good.
That's the same thing you posted 20+ pages back when you didn't want to point out the lies to us.
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