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Old 12-29-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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Listen to this person! Oregon is a hellhole, its a horrible horrible place. None of you should come here. Its rained for 22 days straight in Portland. (Its a fact-no joke). Those people telling you how great it is here? They're lying. You shouldn't even visit. We might turn you gay.
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Old 12-29-2015, 03:35 PM
 
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Apparently you are unaware that you are only required to be allowed to have a jury if you are facing incarceration for longer then 6 months. Most states allow jury trials for much smaller penalties, although rarely for purely financial ones like this.

They did have the right to appeal this judicially, I dont think they exercised it.
might want to read the seventh amendment to the constitution;

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Amendment VII In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
looks to me like unless the defendants gave up their right to trial by jury, then the state was wrong in how they proceeded and thus the appellate court should reverse the judges ruling.
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Old 12-29-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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Oregon’s Bureau of Labor and Industries = crime family shaking down businesses
Suprised they didn't fire bomb them to finish the job.
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Old 12-29-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Brad) Avakian has publicly stated his intentions to target Christian business owners who do not comply with the state’s way of thinking. Here’s what he told The Oregonian about Sweet Cakes By Melissa in 2013:

“The goal is never to shut down a business. The goal is to rehabilitate.”

Rehabilitate?

Why not open up some good old re-education camps, Marxist style. Lefties know a thing or two about running them.

The government didn't shut down the business it was wedding planners and other businesses along with the community that stopped dealing with the bakery, they saw these people for what they were. They underestimated the reaction of the community and thought they could get through this with the support of the religious right, they did cover their fines and then some but lost their business.


Don't blame the government.

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Old 12-29-2015, 05:23 PM
 
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The government didn't shut down the business it was wedding planners and other businesses along with the community that stopped dealing with the bakery, they saw these people for what they were. They underestimated the reaction of the community and thought they could get through this with the support of the religious right, they did cover their fines and then some but lost their business.


Don't blame the government.
if their fines were covered, then why did the government seize their assets?
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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if their fines were covered, then why did the government seize their assets?
The reason behind the $7000 wasn't clear in the OP's article.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:36 PM
 
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The reason behind the $7000 wasn't clear in the OP's article.
actually it might be;

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Avakian has publicly stated his intentions to target Christian business owners who do not comply with the state’s way of thinking.
perhaps he is using his position in government as a bully pulpit to force everyone to think the way he wants them to think. if so then he needs to be bounced from office.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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"Costly beliefs: State squeezes last penny from bakers who defied lesbian-wedding cake order"

Melissa Klein was checking her bank accounts just a few weeks before Christmas when her face turned ashen. The money was gone – every single penny.

Oregon’s Bureau of Labor and Industries had confiscated all the cash in Mrs. Klein’s checking account and savings account as well as a special account set aside for their church tithe.


In July, they were ordered to pay more than $135,000 in damages to a lesbian couple after they refused to bake their wedding cake. The Kleins objected because of their religious beliefs.

The judgment was awarded to the lesbians for “emotional suffering.”

Just a few weeks before Christmas, Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian wiped out the Klein family’s bank accounts – taking nearly $7,000.

The Kleins were also slapped with a gag order – banning them from speaking publicly about their refusal to participate in or bake wedding cakes for same-sex marriages, The Oregonian reported.

(Brad) Avakian has publicly stated his intentions to target Christian business owners who do not comply with the state’s way of thinking. Here’s what he told The Oregonian about Sweet Cakes By Melissa in 2013:

“The goal is never to shut down a business. The goal is to rehabilitate.”


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I know! It's hell when you have to obey the law!
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I bet the folks who didnt want to serve blacks felt the same way. Yawn.

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Yup. Same principle. Same mindset. There is no end to prejudice people!

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Old 12-29-2015, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Nonsense.

Your casual dismissal of this type of massive government overreach will one day bite YOUR hand.
No, the law breakers got their hands bitten.
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