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Old 12-31-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Really? outlawing killing doesn't destroy a market?

Meth doesn't harm people? REALLY?

And more importantly, the usage of meth doesnt have any effect on others around the user?

Again, none of this is relevant to socialism. socialism doesn't care one way or another about drugs being sold. You quite literally are not comprehending this apparently. You are demonstrating again that you do not comprehend what socialism is.

In socialism the government would own the drug producing facilities, and sell it to the population. THATS socialism.


Meth harms the person using it. Meth heads hang with other meth head anyway. Could it effect people are around the meth head, of course it could. But people also have a choice and not being around the meth head. Just a little about my history, my father was a drug abuser (who wasn't in the 70s). My mother made a choice not to be around him. I still have a relationship to my father till this day. I have never been harmed by him in anyway.

Can people on drugs be unpredictable. Yes they can. But ah, the market has a solution for that, as it has a solution for all things.

Detox centers. This will allow people to shoot up their drugs in the way they see fit. And they can't leave until they fully detox. This way they're not really a harm to anyone.

And then we'd have an entire market just to drug havens and detox centers. I mean honestly, you have to understand how much money is in legalizing drugs.


Socialism is the government CONTROLING a trade or market. Make no mistakes, the government has control over the market, in that it has black listed the market from the mainstream economy. This is socialistic in some way. It's not socialistic in the way you would define this. But there is no drug market because of government.
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Old 12-31-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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Your entire original post is full of complete nonsense. Socialism has nothing to do with the war on drugs, no matter how you try and twist it into it. The war on drugs did the EXACT opposite of actually controlling drugs.

your whole post is full of you twisting stuff. I mean you even bring religion into it. Its without a doubt the most rambling piece of nonsense I have read today, and its quite clear you have no interest in being rational. Anyways since this is just me and you going back and forth, I am going to let others post responses, or for it to die. I will stop by later to see what has occurred.
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Old 12-31-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Your entire original post is full of complete nonsense. Socialism has nothing to do with the war on drugs, no matter how you try and twist it into it. The war on drugs did the EXACT opposite of actually controlling drugs.

your whole post is full of you twisting stuff. I mean you even bring religion into it. Its without a doubt the most rambling piece of nonsense I have read today, and its quite clear you have no interest in being rational. Anyways since this is just me and you going back and forth, I am going to let others post responses, or for it to die. I will stop by later to see what has occurred.
We can go back and forth about the semantics of what qualifies as socialism. I'm not interested in defining socialism. War On Drugs can remain a wild card for all a care. I do know that many blacks believe that the solution to their problem will come from government, yet government has done nothing but create problems for black people. As stated above. You can argue that I can't accurately define socialism. You can't argue the other points, because they've all transpired, has had very real and direct impact on black people, and where free market has done more to help black people.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Here is a nice article:

Socialist Thought Has Crippled Black America - John Rossomando - Page full

Here are some experts

Niger Innis, national spokesman for the Congress of Racial Equality, says Marxists have worked hard to exploit blacks for the past century and divide them from the rest of society.

Not surprising we see a lot of this in modern day America. And Marxism is all about divide and conquer

Socialism has been deeply ingrained in the black community since the NAACP’s founding in 1909 according to the Socialist Party USA

Makes sense.

Socialism has been promoted in the black community for nearly a century. Yet it has lead to it's constant downfall. This is not a coincidence.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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http://sluggerotoole.com/2010/06/25/...m-end-slavery/




This is a very very very good read. And it brings up a lot of points about how capitalism ended slavery. But this is a history never taught in American class rooms, especially not to black children.
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:25 PM
 
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Really? outlawing killing doesn't destroy a market?

Meth doesn't harm people? REALLY?

And more importantly, the usage of meth doesnt have any effect on others around the user?

Again, none of this is relevant to socialism. socialism doesn't care one way or another about drugs being sold. You quite literally are not comprehending this apparently. You are demonstrating again that you do not comprehend what socialism is.

In socialism the government would own the drug producing facilities, and sell it to the population. THATS socialism.
but there is no society that fits the authentic definition of socialism the way it is theorized. it makes little meaning to discuss theoretical socialism.

what people respond to is practice and that's what matters. there hasn't been an example of socialism/communism that actually worked. there has never been a single example.

however, there have been examples of non-socialist societies that claim to be or are claimed to be socialist or communist, thus attaching whatever success or correctness to the label as if they fit the label.
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Old 01-01-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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but there is no society that fits the authentic definition of socialism the way it is theorized. it makes little meaning to discuss theoretical socialism.

what people respond to is practice and that's what matters. there hasn't been an example of socialism/communism that actually worked. there has never been a single example.

however, there have been examples of non-socialist societies that claim to be or are claimed to be socialist or communist, thus attaching whatever success or correctness to the label as if they fit the label.
Nor are their any examples of purely capitalistic societies that work either. In fact, the most successful seems to be combinations of the ideals-IE using your brain to do what works, not some fantasy of the perfect ism that you believe will be successful. Theres never been examples of pure communism or pure socialism-why? Because people understand that those pure ideals are destined for failure in large groups. Socialism and communism can work within small groups, in fact socialism is a title that could easily be applied to the family unit. But partsof it fail when applied to larger groups.

That doesn't seem to stop fools from trying to argue for them, but it should be a warning sign that people need to do what works, and not engage in fantasy. But really this is off topic from the original post, and has been discussed here many times. The original post here is just meandering that attempts to convince people of a point of view by abusing the definition of things, and trying to apply it to one specific race.

Its a nice smear attempt on blacks, and a attempt to redefine socialism via wordsmithing.
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Old 03-16-2016, 01:08 AM
 
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A lot of truth.
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Old 03-16-2016, 01:15 AM
 
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The African-descended population in the U.S. is doing better than ever before, generally speaking. So not sure about all of this destruction being claimed.

Additionally, BLM is mainly made up of some college aged young people and a few others littered in. It's made of some people of other backgrounds as well. The majority of people of African descent are far to busy with life to bother.
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Old 03-16-2016, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The fact is African-Americans have been screwed by government practically since the first African hit our shores,. I think this is what the OP is trying to present.

We have had indentured servitude, followed by slavery followed by Jim Crow. Just when African-Americans began receiving equal protection under the law the Great Society programs undermined the African-American family and the war on drugs began in earnest. Yes, government is behind the ills of African-Americans.
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