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Old 12-31-2015, 05:31 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I readily concede there are some instances where having a gun saves lives - but in aggregate the opposite is demonstrably true. Far less likely to happen in London or Marseilles or Tokyo or Dusseldorf or Adelaide. The great paradox is time and again many Americans insist on doubling down on firearms.

Florida mom shoots daughter thinking she was intruder - CNN.com

 
Old 12-31-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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I find it odd that they mentioned the daughter's pacemaker when 911 was called, but made no mention of her being shot.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Well, let us at least note that she had reason to be afraid of the possibility of someone breaking into her house since her husband had been in the past an undercover narcotics police officer.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 07:47 PM
 
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I readily concede there are some instances where having a gun saves lives - but in aggregate the opposite is demonstrably true. Far less likely to happen in London or Marseilles or Tokyo or Dusseldorf or Adelaide. The great paradox is time and again many Americans insist on doubling down on firearms.

Florida mom shoots daughter thinking she was intruder - CNN.com

And, in your opinion, what are those instances?

Incidentally,there are thousands of car accidents every day, (and people are killed) however, I don't see anyone giving up their cars because of it.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Well, let us at least note that she had reason to be afraid of the possibility of someone breaking into her house since her husband had been in the past an undercover narcotics police officer.
Criminals sent away by undercover officers, then getting out and coming back to wreak vengeance on their apprehenders? That's the stuff of Hollywood - it probably happens in real life somewhere, but not near as often as in the minds of screenwriters. And, sadly, the fervent imaginations of people determined to 'protect' themselves.

Now, people blowing away family members by accident? That's not at all rare. No, that's just another week here in Shoot-First-And-Ask-Questions-Later land.

I know this - I'd rather risk dealing with someone I can't identify in the darkness than risk killing one of my own children. But, hey, that's just me. .
 
Old 12-31-2015, 08:12 PM
 
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And, in your opinion, what are those instances?

Incidentally,there are thousands of car accidents every day, (and people are killed) however, I don't see anyone giving up their cars because of it.
Ah, the Ye Olde car vs gun argument.

But it is so true except every year car manufactures do their best to design every safer cars, traffic engineers work hard to make roadways safe and police increase their enforcement efforts. Now if only we could say the same about guns.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 08:28 PM
 
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Ah, the Ye Olde car vs gun argument.

But it is so true except every year car manufactures do their best to design every safer cars, traffic engineers work hard to make roadways safe and police increase their enforcement efforts. Now if only we could say the same about guns.

What are you suggesting?
 
Old 12-31-2015, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I feel very sorry for the daughter being shot and dying. I hope the gun owner is enjoying her right to own and use guns. She probably continue enjoying that right for the rest of her life.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 08:34 PM
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America's love affair with guns is the weirdest, most disturbing thing about that country.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 09:05 PM
 
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America's love affair with guns is the weirdest, most disturbing thing about that country.
Thinking it is a "love affair" is a bit disturbing, TroutDude.

Some just feel strongly about their 2nd amendment rights.
Not really so sure that should be seen as weird.
It's a basic human right.
self-defense.

EDITED TO ADD: This is my last post on this thread. This was a horrible and very sad tragedy. I wish I hadn't responded to the OP's bait. If anyone wants to continue the conversation in another thread, fine. But I personally don't want to continue in this thread. This thread is about this tragedy. Not gun-control/gun rights.

Last edited by .sparrow.; 12-31-2015 at 09:26 PM..
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