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Old 01-02-2016, 02:41 AM
 
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Old 01-02-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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If presidents can bypass congress by EO's then I'd say they have a lot of power.
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Old 01-02-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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If presidents can bypass congress by EO's then I'd say they have a lot of power.


As another poster pointed out along with myself, a Congress doing its job can override or otherwise deal with executive orders. Either by passing laws (using a veto override if necessary) that negate said EO, and or stripping funding for whatever the president wants.


Again Obama has issued all sorts of EOs on matters ranging from gays to immigration and Congress has done nil about most. In the most recent budget deal they even gave him all the money wanted for immigration purposes.
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Old 01-02-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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The President has as much power as he has the gall to seize, and as much as a weak and wimpy Congress is willing to let him get away with.

He's been doing it right along and apart from a few squawking, little is done to stop him. And so...watch this year...as he continues.
I couldn't have said this better. Andrew Jackson proceeded with relocating the Native Americans from the southeast to Oklahoma even though the Supreme Court said he couldn't do that. No one stopped him. A President has as much power as he can get away with depending on how weak others are.
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Old 01-02-2016, 09:32 AM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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If presidents can bypass congress by EO's then I'd say they have a lot of power.
Congress is never bypassed with the issuance of an Executive Order, unless it is one so small as not to require any funding. Congress must pass funding for any EO, and this is one way in which they can agree to an EO which would be unpopular to their particular constituents but which they think should be done: the President gets the credit (or blame) for the order and their names are not mentioned. An EO which Congress agrees with gets funded by Congress.
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Derby, CT
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Obama has put forth a lower than average number of EO's thus far.
  1. Barack Obama 227
  2. George W. Bush 291
  3. Bill Clinton 364
  4. George Bush 166
  5. Ronald Reagan 381
  6. Jimmy Carter 320
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Old 01-02-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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Obama has put forth a lower than average number of EO's thus far.
  1. Barack Obama 227
  2. George W. Bush 291
  3. Bill Clinton 364
  4. George Bush 166
  5. Ronald Reagan 381
  6. Jimmy Carter 320
One can argue that quantity isn't the issue, but rather quality is. Using an executive order that both sides and the majority of citizens support isn't the same as using an EO that the majority questions or disagrees with.
My point is that numbers don't always tell the story.
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Old 01-02-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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Obama has put forth a lower than average number of EO's thus far.
  1. Barack Obama 227
  2. George W. Bush 291
  3. Bill Clinton 364
  4. George Bush 166
  5. Ronald Reagan 381
  6. Jimmy Carter 320
So what? EO's are appropriate for conducting Executive Dept. affiars, NOT for bypassing the law and, thereby, creating law unilaterally.
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Old 01-02-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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Obama killed a U.S. citizen without due process. This is the new benchmark for presidential authority and everything else is chicken poop.
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Old 01-02-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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He and Hillary got most all Chritians and some Muslims dead in the Middle East. Hundreds of thousands dead mostly because they would not listen to others about pulling troops early.
He's done plenty of damage at home as well?
He F'd up healthcare as well.
Spied on Congress, other world leaders and the press with a complete pass for being black.
Obamaphones are his true legacy.
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