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Old 01-03-2016, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I didn't call anyone a patriot, but these land owners have been through years of abuse by the BLM, trying to flood them out, fence off the water supply, etc. There is no evidence and no conviction of any poaching. They were convicted on trumped up terrorism charges, they served their time, and a vindictive federal government is now forcing them back to prison for more time on the same conviction.
The only reason they weren't convicted of poaching was because the arson fire they set burned all the evidence. They were Technically poaching, but normally poaching is taking game illegally for personal use. They just wanted to kill every animal in the herd that had taken up to grazing on the federal land they leased from the government so they could increase the number of their cattle it would support..
Poaching is a much less serious crime than arson on federal property. Once the evidence was in, the government thought the crime was so egregious that they went with the most serious crime that the Hammonds committed.
Federal sentencing guidelines call for no parole, mandatory sentences for certain crimes. The local judge did not conform to those mandatory sentences and the federal prosecutors appealed and won. the Hammonds have released a statement saying they are voluntarily going to turn themselves in for their term on Monday and are no way affiliated with the Bundy group and the federal reserve bldg. takeover. so the Hammonds have divorced themselves from the events.

Sorry to hit you with all the facts but that's it in a nutshell.

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Old 01-03-2016, 09:31 PM
 
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The only reason they weren't convicted of poaching was because the arson fire they set burned all the evidence. They were Technically poaching, but normally poaching is taking game illegally for personal use. They just wanted to kill every animal in the herd that had taken up to grazing on the federal land they leased from the government so they could increase the number of their cattle it would support..
Poaching is a much less serious crime than arson on federal property. Once the evidence was in, the government thought the crime was so egregious that they went with the most serious crime that the Hammonds committed.
Federal sentencing guidelines call for no parole, mandatory sentences for certain crimes. The local judge did not conform to those mandatory sentences and the federal prosecutors appealed and won. the Hammonds have released a statement saying they are voluntarily going to turn themselves in for their term on Monday and are no way affiliated with the Bundy group and the federal reserve bldg. takeover. so the Hammonds have divorced themselves from the events.

Sorry to hit you with are facts but that's it in a nutshell.
There was no evidence of poaching. You saying it over and over doesn't make it true. The government found have tried them on multiple charges if they had evidence. Clearly they knew that they couldn't get a conviction on arson or poaching.
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:38 PM
 
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A few weeds, he burnt 140 acres and put other peoples property and lives in danger and he did it twice. He ignored the fact that he couldn't set fires on federal property and ignored a ban on fires period.
Actually at least three times. He got off with a warning from BLM in 1999 but decided to go right on burning.

This family has no respect for the law at all. Not only are they serial arsonists, they also apparently threatened to murder two refuge workers over a fence.
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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There was no evidence of poaching. You saying it over and over doesn't make it true. The government found have tried them on multiple charges if they had evidence. Clearly they knew that they couldn't get a conviction on arson or poaching.
There were eyewitness grand jury testimony from close relatives of the Hammonds who were actually involved in the herd kill and testified, under oath to that fact. what more do you need?
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Actually at least three times. He got off with a warning from BLM in 1999 but decided to go right on burning.

This family has no respect for the law at all. Not only are they serial arsonists, they also apparently threatened to murder two refuge workers over a fence.
The sound like good candidates for long term prison sentences.
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:47 PM
 
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The sound like good candidates for long term prison sentences.
Oh yeah real hardened criminals there.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Oh yeah real hardened criminals there.
If you are acting like terrorists and capturing a government, then yeah, they are criminals that deserve some prison time. If they were black or Muslim, I doubt you would be making this statement.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:33 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Take up arms against the Federal Government, you can die in a shoot out or surrender. Two choices is all you get. Choose wisely.


I am afraid this is exactly what is coming, and of course Obunga will use this as more fodder for his gun control agenda!
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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So the government wanted them to sell. They would not so our government decided to force them to sell by prohibiting them to graze on the land they had grazed in for years through regulations. That sure as hell sounds like over reach to me.

Full Story on What’s Going on In Oregon – Militia Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution… | The Last Refuge
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Old 01-04-2016, 05:32 AM
 
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Oh yeah real hardened criminals there.
You'd think they were smokin' pot or something.
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