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Old 01-04-2016, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Those minimum sentences were meant to lock up young black men for minor drug offenses, not god-fearing white patriots. By all means, NOW we must reconsider the injustice.
Well then, the law should know the difference between a black man with a joint in one hand and a cell phone that "May look like a gun at 30 feet" and a white patriot with an AR15 forcibly taking over a federal building.
One could very well get killed and the other should get an automatic pass and 15 minutes of fame on Alex Jones.
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Old 01-04-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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They served the time they were sentenced to. Retroactively adding time to one's sentence is not how our system is supposed to work.
There have always been sentences changed on appeal, usually in favor of the defendant this decsions is not different than any other. They knew the DOJ could win in an appeal and that is exactly what happended in the circuit court. Their argument was that the 5 year sentence was unconstitutional both at this trial and the earlier one. The judge at the orignal sentencing indicated that the mandatory minimum sentence was grossly disprportionate with the crime yes this was the standard passed by congress.

Also the attorneys dropped other charges in return for a guilty plea relative to arson on federal lands, they could have been sentenced to more time if the government proceeded but at the time I'm sure they felt 5 years was sufficient and then the judge changed the outcome.


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The panel held that the district court illegally sentenced
the defendants to terms of imprisonment less than the
statutory minimum. The panel observed that although the
district court attempted to justify lesser sentences on Eighth
Amendment grounds, sentencing the defendants to five years
of imprisonment would not have been unconstitutional.
http://patterico.com/files/2016/01/N...t-Decision.pdf
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Old 01-04-2016, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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The started fires 3 times on federal lands to protect his own property, the 140 acres was out of service for 2 years.

Yes sometimes federal controlled burns get out of control that doesn't give every landowner a license to do as he wishes. There was also the issue with deer poaching being covered up by the fire.

He premeditated this action to cover his tracks, he was convicted by a jury and the first judge was too lenient.

Best explanation I have seen of his actions from DOJ:


Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice
Here is the real story. Here's a link to the entire article. Full Story on What’s Going on In Oregon – Militia Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution… | The Last Refuge

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(i) In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.

(j) In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

(j1) The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined that the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.
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Old 01-04-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Well that's the Conservative Tree House side of the story but that is in conflict with witnesses at the trial.
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Old 01-04-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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The BLM likely does not subject its own employees to arson charges when they’ve made mistakes during prescribed burns, so the punishment for the Hammonds was excessive, Dillon said.

Judge sends Oregon ranchers back to prison - Oregon - Capital Press

EPA aware of 'blowout' risk for toxic water at Gold King Mine

EPA aware of "Blowout" Risk for toxic water at Gold King Mine - CNN.com

Then the attempted cover up totally ignoring a Congressional order.

EPA Withholds Documents on Gold King Mine Disaster=> Ignores Congressional Subpoena - The Gateway Pundit

And then who was held responsible? The taxpayers.

Leading by example.
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Old 01-04-2016, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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The BLM likely does not subject its own employees to arson charges when they’ve made mistakes during prescribed burns, so the punishment for the Hammonds was excessive, Dillon said.

Judge sends Oregon ranchers back to prison - Oregon - Capital Press

EPA aware of 'blowout' risk for toxic water at Gold King Mine

EPA aware of "Blowout" Risk for toxic water at Gold King Mine - CNN.com

Then the attempted cover up totally ignoring a Congressional order.

EPA Withholds Documents on Gold King Mine Disaster=> Ignores Congressional Subpoena - The Gateway Pundit

And then who was held responsible? The taxpayers.

Leading by example.
Here is what happens when federal employees do what these ranchers do...but on a scale 350 times greater: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerro_Grande_Fire

Care to guess how many are in prison?
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Old 01-04-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
The BLM likely does not subject its own employees to arson charges when they’ve made mistakes during prescribed burns, so the punishment for the Hammonds was excessive, Dillon said.

Judge sends Oregon ranchers back to prison - Oregon - Capital Press

EPA aware of 'blowout' risk for toxic water at Gold King Mine

EPA aware of "Blowout" Risk for toxic water at Gold King Mine - CNN.com

Then the attempted cover up totally ignoring a Congressional order.

EPA Withholds Documents on Gold King Mine Disaster=> Ignores Congressional Subpoena - The Gateway Pundit

And then who was held responsible? The taxpayers.

Leading by example.
according to the logic of many moonbats here, those BLM employees should be summarily executed.

because, black people.

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Those minimum sentences were meant to lock up young black men for minor drug offenses, not god-fearing white patriots. By all means, NOW we must reconsider the injustice.
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Well then, the law should know the difference between a black man with a joint in one hand and a cell phone that "May look like a gun at 30 feet" and a white patriot with an AR15 forcibly taking over a federal building.
One could very well get killed and the other should get an automatic pass and 15 minutes of fame on Alex Jones.
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Old 01-04-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If instead of the Bundy clan it was US citizens of Muslim Faith..........
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Old 01-04-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Here is what happens when federal employees do what these ranchers do...but on a scale 350 times greater: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerro_Grande_Fire

Care to guess how many are in prison?
None?
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Old 01-04-2016, 12:03 PM
 
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Notice how these incidents tend to happen when a Democrat is President.
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