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Old 01-05-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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I'd be surprised and disappointed if the gov't didn't have a court order allowing the monitoring of their cell phone, landline and internet communications - to overhear their situation and plans and determine who they are coordinating with on the outside. That could explain the delay in cutting off electricity.
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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I'd be surprised and disappointed if the gov't didn't have a court order allowing the monitoring of their cell phone, landline and internet communications - to overhear their situation and plans and determine who they are coordinating with on the outside. That could explain the delay in cutting off electricity.
They've had this for years now on everyone......

Don't you feel safer?
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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Dwight and Steven Hammond, the Oregon Standoff, and the Problems with Mandatory Minimums - The Atlantic

Earlier this year, Oliver skewered mandatory minimums. The laws “require judges to punish certain crimes with a minimum number of years in prison, regardless of context,” he explained, “which is a little strange, because context is important.” He added that “they’re partly responsible for the explosion of our prison population,” noting that many judges oppose them because they hand power over sentencing to prosecutors, who frequently “use the threat of long mandatory minimums to convince defendants to take a plea bargain or cooperate by giving information.”

........We’d all do better to focus on forging red-blue alliances to address injustices of common concern rather than behaving as if it is either useful or morally righteous to denounce, demonize, and dehumanize the members of opposing ideological tribes.

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Old 01-05-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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They have taken an area not theirs by force while armed. They are an invading force. Sounds like enemy combatants to me.



Full Definition of combatant
: one that is engaged in or ready to engage in combat.
Much like Occupy Wall Street, BlackLivesMatter and Ferguson and Baltimore "protesters" (ok rioters). In all of those cases law enforcement did NOTHING, for months. Even when they disrupted major urban areas.

This group has taken over an insignificant building in a remote wildlife refuge. And THEY sound like "enemy combatants?
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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Much like Occupy Wall Street, BlackLivesMatter and Ferguson and Baltimore "protesters" (ok rioters). In all of those cases law enforcement did NOTHING, for months. Even when they disrupted major urban areas.

This group has taken over an insignificant building in a remote wildlife refuge. And THEY sound like "enemy combatants?
And many of the same foolish arguments were made about what the government should do to them as we are seeing here.

It's really sad how many will put their politics ahead of their principles. In the big picture BLM and these people are making the same arguments but are having a hard time making headways because far too many only see in black/white and (D)/(R).
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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These "willing to die" clowns couldn't even organize a weekend BBQ. The gov't is just waiting them out.

How the Oregon Militants' Revolutionary Plan Went Sideways - The "Y'all Qaeda" militia is short on people, supplies and food

The would-be insurrectionists are undermanned, undersupplied and exhausted. They've been unable to provoke the confrontation with federal agents that they chest-thumpingly declared themselves willing to die in. And they've found themselves roundly mocked on social media as "Yee-hawdists" in the service of "Y'all Qaeda," "Yokel Haram" or "Vanilla ISIS."

On Monday night, in fact, one Bundy brother told Oregon Public Broadcasting the militiamen might be willing to move along now — if the community requests it: "This is their county – we can't be here and force this on them," Ryan Bundy said. "If they don't want to retrieve their rights, and if the county people tell us to leave, we'll leave."
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Oregon ranching case sparks anti-government sentiment

1. Should have never stolen the families land
2. Should have never prosecuted them under an "anti terrorism law" when there was NO TERRORISM
3. People should fight back. Armed if need be. Seems to be only thing jackboot thugs understand. Worked in 2014 will work again. Its outrageous these men have ALREADY served time AND been released and now being FORCED to become slaves to the system again.
1. I thought this was public land that they were renting? They had no right to burn down a public forest.
2. Agreed
3. It depends on what the issue is. I will not support these guys on this issue anyway.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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Much like Occupy Wall Street, BlackLivesMatter and Ferguson and Baltimore "protesters" (ok rioters). In all of those cases law enforcement did NOTHING, for months. Even when they disrupted major urban areas.

This group has taken over an insignificant building in a remote wildlife refuge. And THEY sound like "enemy combatants?

Armed and making threats of violence towards any efforts to remove them. That is the major difference between BLM, OWS and this group. The significance of the building they've taken over is irrelevant. They have staged an armed takeover of federal land. They're armed criminals at best. Not to mention complete morons.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Gun obsession in America needs to stop. It's an international EMBARRASSMENT.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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Armed and making threats of violence towards any efforts to remove them. That is the major difference between BLM, OWS and this group.
BLM has threatened violence. They have even undertook violence.


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The significance of the building they've taken over is irrelevant. They have staged an armed takeover of federal land. They're armed criminals at best. Not to mention complete morons.
With a beef I bet you agree with? Do you believe in mandatory sentencing?
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