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Old 01-03-2016, 11:35 AM
 
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Wonder if the Constitution says something about this sort of thing...

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The Congress shall have power to...

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
Oh, this is just awkward. Someone needs to tell the gun-fetish hillbillies that they're the sort of people the militia is supposed to fight.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:43 AM
 
Location: In a state of mind
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On CNN they were calling them "domestic terrorists." Apparently now anyone who tries to curtail excessive government tyranny is a terrorist. It is long past time to reformat the Fed government and it's mostly unnecessary agencies.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:47 AM
 
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Government tyranny on government land... too funny.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:50 AM
 
Location: In a state of mind
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I'm truly amazed at all the opposition to this group that is standing up against govt tyranny. That you folks are calling terrorists.

Who will stand with you when you go to jail and the govt takes your home so a bird can lay eggs?

Better read up, there is a difference between legitimate protest or even armed insurrection and terrorism.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: United States
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They set the forest on fire to destroy the evidence.

The poaching is basically irrelevant outside of providing a motive for the 2001 fire that both got convicted of starting.
So there is no proof that they were poaching. Like I said, the claim is dubious.

There is no dispute that they started the fire, but the Hammonds claim that they were clearing overgrowth, and the fire got away. Is 5 years in prison really justified in this case?
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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So there is no proof that they were poaching. Like I said, the claim is dubious.

There is no dispute that they started the fire, but the Hammonds claim that they were clearing overgrowth, and the fire got away. Is 5 years in prison really justified in this case?
Let's say the claim is false, despite the multiple witnesses, including a relative, who testified about the reason for the arson.

So what? That doesn't make arson suddenly not a crime.
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I think the feds ought to just cut off their utilities and not let any food in. Let's see what sort of tough commandos they are.
Do you even know what led to this? From the backstory, it looks like the government was harassing this rancher's family for years, just because they wouldn't sell the land. Sounds like something out of a robber/railroad barons playbook.

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Old 01-03-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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He never owned the land. He leased it and never paid the rent. According to several witnesses, including one of his relatives, he burned it to try to cover the fact that they were poaching deer.
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So there is no proof that they were poaching. Like I said, the claim is dubious.

There is no dispute that they started the fire, but the Hammonds claim that they were clearing overgrowth, and the fire got away. Is 5 years in prison really justified in this case?
Starting forest fires out here is illegal, the brave men and women who fight these fires risk their lives each time there is a new one. So 5 years in prison is very much justified for the lives they put in danger.
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:15 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Ammon and Cliven?

LOL. The double standard here is something else.
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