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Old 01-20-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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The entire clause reads
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
It is part of Article 1, Section 8 after the 18 enumerated powers of Congress. Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

They did not leave us without that ability. It's the 10th Amendment Bill of Rights Transcript Text
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I didn't need the clarification of what words are found where in the Constitution, but it might be worth a moment of reflection to consider those particular words that read, "and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." The fact that "all other Powers" is included means we consider more than just "the foregoing Powers."

Then ultimately, you write our founding fathers "did not leave us without that ability" [to regulate as I previously pointed out was necessary]. Which is it?
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Old 01-20-2016, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Feel good laws to fool the stupid ignorant idiots, into a false sense of security, thinking it solves something.

Or a foot in the door to totally banning guns one day.
Shall not be infringed, means you may die, taking them away.
If a BC kept a criminal from committing a crime than that criminal is beyond lazy. Libs don't get criminals enough credit. If they want to kill someone, they will.
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Old 01-20-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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If a BC kept a criminal from committing a crime than that criminal is beyond lazy. Libs don't get criminals enough credit. If they want to kill someone, they will.
I suspect that there are significant number of cases in which a few extra hours or a few extra days to think about something are enough to change a course of action. This isn't necessary being lazy; it is simply changing one's mind.

I'm not saying this would happen very often. I'm just saying that it might happen often enough so that it is not quite accurate to say that background checks are completely useless. And it would be virtually impossible to measure the number of crimes that don't get committed, so the results of the law might not be obvious. But this doesn't make the results any less real - especially if you, or a loved one, happens to be one of the people who doesn't die because a criminal changes his or her mind or gets caught while trying to skirt around the law.
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Old 01-20-2016, 11:52 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I suspect that there are significant number of cases in which a few extra hours or a few extra days to think about something are enough to change a course of action. This isn't necessary being lazy; it is simply changing one's mind.

I'm not saying this would happen very often. I'm just saying that it might happen often enough so that it is not quite accurate to say that background checks are completely useless. And it would be virtually impossible to measure the number of crimes that don't get committed, so the results of the law might not be obvious. But this doesn't make the results any less real - especially if you, or a loved one, happens to be one of the people who doesn't die because a criminal changes his or her mind or gets caught while trying to skirt around the law.
If I wanted you dead bad enough, it would be a done deal before nightfall.
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Old 01-20-2016, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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If I wanted you dead bad enough, it would be a done deal before nightfall.
Luckily, you are not everyone. Most people are capable of changing their minds over the course of a few hours and, statistically speaking, if a thousand people are contemplating murder before nightfall, each passing minute between now and then could potentially see one or two people drop the idea. In addition to this, if gun laws force felons to look for a gun by some illegal means such as the black market, a few might get arrested in the process.
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Old 01-20-2016, 12:16 PM
 
Location: MS
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I didn't need the clarification of what words are found where in the Constitution, but it might be worth a moment of reflection to consider those particular words that read, "and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." The fact that "all other Powers" is included means we consider more than just "the foregoing Powers."

Then ultimately, you write our founding fathers "did not leave us without that ability" [to regulate as I previously pointed out was necessary]. Which is it?
Any power added to the Constitution via the Amendment process. Until then , the 18 powers originally listed are the only things under the purview of the federal government.

The power should rest with the state, county or local laws or via the Constitutional Amendment process.
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Old 01-20-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Luckily, you are not everyone. Most people are capable of changing their minds over the course of a few hours and, statistically speaking, if a thousand people are contemplating murder before nightfall, each passing minute between now and then could potentially see one or two people drop the idea. In addition to this, if gun laws force felons to look for a gun by some illegal means such as the black market, a few might get arrested in the process.
Getting busted for illegally purchasing firearm? You are kidding right? LOL. When was last time the federal government enforce the gun laws?

The DOJ records have shown, years after years, the prosecution rate for people who lied on their firearm purchase form 4473 is below 0.08% or in liberal understandable number, less than 1 in 1000 cases.

That's how much effort our government has put in to enforce the current gun laws. Keep in mind that's when they had the criminal's name, address, birthday, description etc. etc. etc.
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Old 01-20-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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Getting busted for illegally purchasing firearm? You are kidding right? LOL. When was last time the federal government enforce the gun laws?

The DOJ records have shown, years after years, the prosecution rate for people who lied on their firearm purchase form 4473 is below 0.08% or in liberal understandable number, less than 1 in 1000 cases.

That's how much effort our government has put in to enforce the current gun laws. Keep in mind that's when they had the criminal's name, address, birthday, description etc. etc. etc.
Exactly!!! This is why I'm glad for Obama's latest announcements. He is inexcusably late in doing this, but at least he is moving in the right direction now. The current laws should be enforced.
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Old 01-20-2016, 03:14 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Exactly!!! This is why I'm glad for Obama's latest announcements. He is inexcusably late in doing this, but at least he is moving in the right direction now. The current laws should be enforced.
They should be but that will require more people in enforcement which can be funded or defunded based on who is in power.

Not to mention the intentional patchwork of guns laws need to be federalized to get rid of the loopholes and inconsistencies between state to state and even county to county.
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Old 01-20-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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Any power added to the Constitution via the Amendment process. Until then , the 18 powers originally listed are the only things under the purview of the federal government.
It reads, "and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

As in addition to, and/or which are those "other" Powers they are referring to, and/or Department or Officer thereof, and/or I ask again..., you really think you know better than all the legal challenges, reviews, decisions over all these decades, up and down our legal system all the way to the SCOTUS? That's some pretty bold self-confidence right there, based on true legal study and review cross-checked by your peers, I wonder, or Tea Party membership?

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