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Old 01-07-2016, 06:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
This is the first such bill to be presented to Obama. And if a Republican is elected president in November, you know he will sign this when it is presented to him.

So, we are getting closer.
I'm not so sure. "Repeal" was possible maybe the first year or two of the ACA, but it didn't happen. Now the law is too ingrained. "Repeal" is not really a possible option at this point. The GOP would have to replace it with a virtually identical bill but act like it's a radically better bill.

 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That's incorrect. The ACA decreased the number of people covered by insurance.
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Oh really?


Source: Gallup
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The uninsured rate among U.S. adults aged 18 and older was 11.4% in the second quarter of 2015, down from 11.9% in the first quarter. The uninsured rate has dropped nearly six percentage points since the fourth quarter of 2013, just before the requirement for Americans to carry health insurance took effect. The latest quarterly uninsured rate is the lowest Gallup and Healthways have recorded since daily tracking of this metric began in 2008.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:00 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And those of us with preexisting conditions not covered before by companies...
BS. States had high-risk insurance pools for those with pre-existing conditions LONG before Obamacare.

Why are people so under-informed? How many of you can't even wipe your own azzes without the government's help? /SMH
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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BS. States had high-risk insurance pools for those with pre-existing conditions LONG before Obamacare.

Why are people so under-informed? How many of you can't even wipe your own azzes without the government's help? /SMH
BS is right those pools were called Medicaid, so depending on your state and its regs. you were at the mercy of the state. Now people can get insurance that is not going to cause you to get rid of all your assets to be able to be covered.

You now have a defined maximum payout each year, which you can plan on. Try to plan a total liquidation to be able to get medical coverage.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:16 AM
 
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Glad you are able to get insurance for your preexisting condition.
And that person could also get it LONG before Obamacare via states' high-risk insurance pools. Obamacare wasn't needed to solve a problem that didn't exist. You've all been sold a sack of lies. The Dems deliberately lied to you about this.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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BS. States had high-risk insurance pools for those with pre-existing conditions LONG before Obamacare.

Why are people so under-informed? How many of you can't even wipe your own azzes without the government's help? /SMH
Well, said 'high risk' pools were very expensive, and usually had a waiting period.

Time To Get Out Of The High-Risk Health Insurance Pool? : Shots - Health News : NPR

From another article (I think 2010):

"To keep both premiums and assessments on carriers as low as possible, some high-risk pools constrain enrollment. All limit the value of covered benefits. Currently, California’s high-risk pool maintains a waiting list for most applicants. Florida’s pool has been closed to new enrollment since 1991. Also, most states have increased cost sharing to constrain premium growth. In a growing number of states, the lowest deductible is $1,000. Many offer options with individual deductibles of $5,000–$10,000, and some are as high as $25,000."

How Temporary Insurance For High-Risk Individuals May Play Out Under Health Reform

Texas closed its high risk pool in 2014 (due to Obamacare).

So, you are correct in saying that prior to Obamacare 35 states had 'high risk' health insurance pools, but often enrollment was difficult to achieve, and premium costs often prohibitive to those applying.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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With social security disability, she would have had government insurance previously, and then chose to make use of the ER.

Moving to private care, thereby making her healthier, is a goal many should have, but most people under ACA benefited due to an expansion of Medicaid, thereby increasing the number of people who used the ER for treatment.

Your example is proof that government actually is the wrong place for insurance, because people who are on those policies, abuse it, and use the most expensive, and inefficient method available to them because they dont care.
Exactly correct. They don't care because they don't pay.

American College of Emergency Physicians Poll:
Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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We've been down this road before. Your claim has been undercut
No, it has not. Read the articles I linked, and actually follow through and read the studies and researchers cited. Stop being misled by manipulative politicians and look at actual facts.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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Oh really?
Yes. That analysis includes Medicaid as "insurance." It's not. Medicaid is a government health program for which recipients pay not one thin dime. Stop blindly believing lies.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 07:32 AM
 
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BS is right those pools were called Medicaid
Incorrect. Medicaid is a different federal government welfare program. I'm specifically talking about the states' high-risk insurance pools:

States Risk Pools
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