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View Poll Results: Should Flint, MI residents pay their water bills?
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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What did you think they were going to do? Pay for it all themselves? It would bankrupt the state many times over, and even more of the tax paying base would leave.

At best, this incident will be a very expensive lesson on government incompetence. Hopefully, changes will be made, and we will elect smarter people, but I doubt it.
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Old 02-09-2016, 09:59 PM
 
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Default Special counsel: Manslaughter charge possible in Flint

Todd Flood, special counsel for the state attorney general’s office investigation into the Flint water crisis, said Tuesday the probe could lead to a variety of criminal charges or civil actions.

“We’re here to investigate what possible crimes there are, anything to the involuntary manslaughter or death that may have happened to some young person or old person because of this poisoning, to misconduct in office,” he said. “We take this very seriously.”

Special counsel: Manslaughter charge possible in Flint water case
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Old 02-10-2016, 05:12 AM
 
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Todd Flood, special counsel for the state attorney general’s office investigation into the Flint water crisis, said Tuesday the probe could lead to a variety of criminal charges or civil actions.

“We’re here to investigate what possible crimes there are, anything to the involuntary manslaughter or death that may have happened to some young person or old person because of this poisoning, to misconduct in office,” he said. “We take this very seriously.”

Special counsel: Manslaughter charge possible in Flint water case
If someone knew that they weren't adding enough of the chemicals into the water and stood silent without immediately acting, then that is manslaughter in my opinion. That goes for the governor too.

However, this may be a trickier case charging someone at the EPA or Department of Water Quality with manslaughter for unwittingly not adding enough.
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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If someone knew that they weren't adding enough of the chemicals into the water and stood silent without immediately acting, then that is manslaughter in my opinion. That goes for the governor too.

However, this may be a trickier case charging someone at the EPA or Department of Water Quality with manslaughter for unwittingly not adding enough.
Not really as the story indicates the possible charging might include involuntary manslaughter - a too seldom used charge - which doesn't require malicious intent. If it is your job to insure the safety of the citizens and your negligence results in a death, in most jurisdiction, that is a criminal offense. Either way, your argument isn't with me it is with the Attorney General's appointed Special Counsel regarding what can and can't be charged in Michigan.
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Old 02-11-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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Default When Science Becomes A Profession . . .

"Edwards said that practicing “heroism” within the scientific community can be a lonely pursuit and that he has “lost friends” simply by asking questions."

"In Flint the agencies paid to protect these people weren’t solving the problem. They were the problem. What faculty person out there is going to take on their state, the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency?"



Professor Who Exposed Flint Crisis Says Greed Has Killed Public Science

http://www.realfarmacy.com/bayer-hiv/

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Old 02-11-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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“The Argentine Physicians commented: ‘Malformations detected in thousands of children from pregnant women living in areas where the Brazilian state added Pyriproxyfen to drinking water are not a coincidence, even though the Ministry of Health places a direct blame on the Zika virus for this damage.’

“Abrasco also names Pyriproxyfen as a likely cause of the microcephaly. It condemns the strategy of chemical control of Zika-carrying mosquitoes, which it says is contaminating the environment as well as people and is not decreasing the numbers of mosquitoes. Abrasco suggests that this strategy is in fact driven by the commercial interests of the chemical industry, which it says is deeply integrated into the Latin American ministries of health, as well as the World Health Organization and the Pan American Health Organisation."

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...ay-pesticides/
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Old 02-15-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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“The Argentine Physicians commented: ‘Malformations detected in thousands of children from pregnant women living in areas where the Brazilian state added Pyriproxyfen to drinking water are not a coincidence, even though the Ministry of Health places a direct blame on the Zika virus for this damage.’

“Abrasco also names Pyriproxyfen as a likely cause of the microcephaly. It condemns the strategy of chemical control of Zika-carrying mosquitoes, which it says is contaminating the environment as well as people and is not decreasing the numbers of mosquitoes. Abrasco suggests that this strategy is in fact driven by the commercial interests of the chemical industry, which it says is deeply integrated into the Latin American ministries of health, as well as the World Health Organization and the Pan American Health Organisation."

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...ay-pesticides/
Supplementary contra-knowledge.

It's a "RIDL".

Genewashing Zika - the cover-up of biotech’s dirty war
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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I'm asking this because my memory of parts of the constitution is rusty, but isn't there a section that talks about that the federal government should only step in during a crisis, if the state is incapable of handling the problem?

Am I thinking of the Tenth Amendment? Or perhaps the National Response Framework?
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Give me a break. The EPA knew about this a year ago, and did nothing.


Also, it's the city council, always trying to cut corners when they run out of everyone else's money, all Democrats, who came up with the cockamaimie plan. The governor didn't know about it until late in the game.


Leave it to Democrats, local and national (like Hillary), to continue to try to put a Republican face on a Democrat problem.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Were they drinking polluted water and didn't know it?
Yes. The Flint city council in all of their wisdom decided that moving the Flint water source from the lake to the polluted river was a good move... to save money (HAH!) Also to blame is the KWA and Lampeer, Sanilac and Genesee counties.

It's another case of a government entity proving it makes bad managerial decisions quite regularly. But hey, what do the lives of sub-median residents matter anyway?

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Engineering professor Marc Edwards, an expert on water quality, was sent to Flint to study the water supply. His team found extremely high levels of lead, and Edwards said that authorities' actions "exposes a new level of arrogance and uncaring that I have never encountered."

Now the water crisis has expanded to include 71 new cases of Legionnaires Disease

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