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Here is one for the idiots...
Congress does not get to decide.... They are the federal government, the very government the 2nd amendment targets.
You think the second amendment is just so people can have a gun?
There is a lot more there than, the right of the people to keep & bear arms.
Government has no say. The 2ns amendment is to keep government in check and that includes congress, who you think has more power over the people, not just to allow the people to be armed.
The problem is to keep it in check us an act of treason. If they do this, they should be charged with treason if they survive the battle that comes with it. Bundy and his clowns should be charged with treason, plain and simple.
how exactly is an ar15 or 9mm going to "keep the government in check" when 'the government' has drones, f16s, m1a1 tanks, etc.
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The Afghan militias have little more than Russian surplus AK47s and AK74s from the 1980s and IEDs. It hasn't been a cakewalk for our military over there.
As much as the moslem would want to ... using the military against US citizens in the USA would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to do. There is such a thing as an ILLEGAL ORDER and NO military commander would even consider following it. I hope that clears up any misunderstanding of the subject of the military and/or its hardware.
And Article 1, Section 8, paragraphs 15 and 16 pretty much spell out that it is Congress who is authorized to organize, provide funding for, and regulate militias, as well as to call them up when needed.
So any so-called militia not specifically authorized by Congress, and acting with the authority of Congress, is outside of the constitution which these bozos claim to revere and protect.
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Here is one for the idiots...
Congress does not get to decide.... They are the federal government, the very government the 2nd amendment targets.
You think the second amendment is just so people can have a gun?
There is a lot more there than, the right of the people to keep & bear arms.
Government has no say. The 2ns amendment is to keep government in check and that includes congress, who you think has more power over the people, not just to allow the people to be armed.
Well, OK, let's read the paragraphs to which I referred:
Art. I, Sec. 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
As much as the moslem would want to ... using the military against US citizens in the USA would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to do. There is such a thing as an ILLEGAL ORDER and NO military commander would even consider following it. I hope that clears up any misunderstanding of the subject of the military and/or its hardware.
El Nox
Using the armed forces to fight insurrection has always been part of government's enumerated powers, it's right there in the Constitution. And there's of course precedence - George Washington perosnally leading the army in the field against the Whiskey Rebellion.
Here is one for the idiots...
Congress does not get to decide.... They are the federal government, the very government the 2nd amendment targets.
The militia is government's tool. The 1792 Militia Act makes it clear that government issues the orders, it sets up a system for conscription, and it has the authority to discipline member of the militia.
If you want to make a club for wearing camo and strutting your guns, you can certainly call it a militia. (You can even call it a coast guard, if that makes you happy.) But it's not the militia defined in the Constitution.
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Government has no say. The 2ns amendment is to keep government in check and that includes congress, who you think has more power over the people, not just to allow the people to be armed.
You are factually 100% wrong here. The Constitution puts government in control of the militia. It's specifically listed as one of the powers of Congress.
The idea that the US constitution somehow allows citizens to fight a constitutionally elected government is absurd on its face. And the fate of the Whiskey Rebellion kinda tells us exactly how the founders felt about armed buffoons trying to say "You're not the boss of me!"
The militia is government's tool. The 1792 Militia Act makes it clear that government issues the orders, it sets up a system for conscription, and it has the authority to discipline member of the militia.
If you want to make a club for wearing camo and strutting your guns, you can certainly call it a militia. (You can even call it a coast guard, if that makes you happy.) But it's not the militia defined in the Constitution.
You are factually 100% wrong here. The Constitution puts government in control of the militia. It's specifically listed as one of the powers of Congress.
The idea that the US constitution somehow allows citizens to fight a constitutionally elected government is absurd on its face. And the fate of the Whiskey Rebellion kinda tells us exactly how the founders felt about armed buffoons trying to say "You're not the boss of me!"
you are partially correct. the federal government is in control of the militia, but only in a time of war declared by congress. it has been a very long time since congress declared war on anyone. i do not think it will be happening anytime soon.
The militia is government's tool. The 1792 Militia Act makes it clear that government issues the orders, it sets up a system for conscription, and it has the authority to discipline member of the militia.
If you want to make a club for wearing camo and strutting your guns, you can certainly call it a militia. (You can even call it a coast guard, if that makes you happy.) But it's not the militia defined in the Constitution.
You are factually 100% wrong here. The Constitution puts government in control of the militia. It's specifically listed as one of the powers of Congress.
The idea that the US constitution somehow allows citizens to fight a constitutionally elected government is absurd on its face. And the fate of the Whiskey Rebellion kinda tells us exactly how the founders felt about armed buffoons trying to say "You're not the boss of me!"
The militia act is not the 2nd, amendment. The militia act is government trying to control militia.Counter to what is actually said and outlined in the 2nd amendment, which belongs to the people, not government.
The people have the right to militia, not the government. Government cannot amend or make law to take control of the right to militia.
The government may in times of war, ask the militia to help, but they cannot demand or force them to be your allies.
The militia act is not the 2nd, amendment. The militia act is government trying to control militia.Counter to what is actually said and outlined in the 2nd amendment, which belongs to the people, not government.
The people have the right to militia, not the government. Government cannot amend or make law to take control of the right to militia.
The government may in times of war, ask the militia to help, but they cannot demand or force them to be your allies.
It just mentions about a well organized militia, not that we need to use it topple oppressive government. Did the Whiskey Rebellion not teach us anything?
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