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I have never seen as much spinning, revision, selective narrative as you have been committing on an event that we've all witnessed in real time.
Yes it was a take over, the besiegers themselves said as much and to do so they called for their cohorts to bring their guns for the specific purpose of maintaining their hold on federal property. It was the likes Mr. Bundy and Mr. Finicum who expressed the willingness to use force to prevent their unlawful take over of federal property!
And speaking of spinning, revision and selective narrative (not that anyone need read or even agree with that "essay" I just posted), but I find it interesting how many people blame Obama for all that in the exact same sort of twisted way...
I find it interesting how many people blame Obama for all that in the exact same sort of twisted way...
Well I just watched Rubio's repeated talking "meme" Obama is willfully turning American into everyplace else whatever that means because of instituting a national healthcare plane (that came from the Heritage Foundation) and which a series of Presidents have tried to enact for over 100 years. He also argued that by enacting an economic stimulus, something else hardly unprecedented that America is somehow being fundamentally changed, as if the United States has undergone fundamental social change over the last 200 years. The whole thing speaks to historical ignorance, callous demagogy, and the worst reactionary tendency of a segment of the American people.
Maybe it's time to focus on these Violent Anti-Government groups again
"Daryl Johnson once worked in the branch of the Department of Homeland Security that studied the threats posed by antigovernment groups. His former office was shut down more than five years ago
"But when members of an armed group took over a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon last week, Mr. Johnson was not surprised.
In 2009, the former analyst wrote a report that warned of a growing antigovernment movement and the possible recruitment of returning military veterans that could “lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone-wolf extremists.”
His words drew fierce criticism from Republican lawmakers and conservative news media, labeling the report an unfair assessment of legitimate criticisms of the government. The document was retracted after Janet Napolitano, who was then the Homeland Security secretary, apologized to veterans, and the Extremism and Radicalization Branch was quietly dismantled."
Interesting article, thanks & respect for the link. Very unfortunate, & their delusions are NOT harmless:
"In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. These Americans thrive on hate and conspiracy theories, many fed to them by politicians and commentators who blithely blather about government concentration camps and impending martial law and plans to seize guns and other dystopian gibberish, apparently unaware there are people listening who don’t know it’s all lies. These extremists turn to violence—against minorities, non-Christians, abortion providers, government officials—in what they believe is a fight to save America."
& that's not taking Timothy McVeigh, another anti-government extremist, into consideration. His murder spree killed 168 people with a truck bomb in 1995.
I think it is time as a nation we realize that it shouldn't be the why terrorist acts are being committed but rather the how and how to stop it. If those 18 acts by non-Muslim Americans don't show reason enough for the Patriot Act, I don't know what will. The need of the many are greater than the need of the one.
I think it is time as a nation we realize that it shouldn't be the why terrorist acts are being committed but rather the how and how to stop it. If those 18 acts by non-Muslim Americans don't show reason enough for the Patriot Act, I don't know what will. The need of the many are greater than the need of the one.
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
This quote has been twisted in recent years by people using it for their viewpoint on the role of the fed police powers (both liberal and conservative)
I was originally for the patriot act but admit it was an emotional over-reaction. By 2002 I was firmly against. That being said, to me, the quote itself still stands the test of time... Especially outside 'our' politics.
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
This quote has been twisted in recent years by people using it for their viewpoint on the role of the fed police powers (both liberal and conservative)
I was originally for the patriot act but admit it was an emotional over-reaction. By 2002 I was firmly against. That being said, to me, the quote itself still stands the test of time... Especially outside 'our' politics.
I can argue for liberty there often isn't safety. Just look at violent acts on the name of liberty. Oklahoma City, Atlanta, 9/11, London, Paris, etc. Does violence in the name of liberty make it alright?
These groups greatly expanded from 42 in 2008 to almost 300 today, black president, fear of losing guns, Tea Party and we have the perfect breeding ground.
"The armed takeover of a federal government building in Oregon comes amid a renewed expansion of the far-right, antigovernment militia movement in the wake of the 2014 standoff between federal agents and heavily armed antigovernment activists in the Nevada desert.
In its annual count of militias, released today, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identified 276 militia groups – up from 202 in 2014, a 37 percent increase."
They aren't anti-government. What they oppose (and with some justification) is the federal abuse of power. It may be with regard to land use, water rights, etc... the list is long and the federal government isn't accountable to anyone. You may not like their tactics but their underlying argument has more than a little merit.
A false sense of security, so they the government can take control over something the never had the authority to control.
They have constantly taken power from the states and the people.
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